re: Looks like Trump figured some shite out at Camp David

What if their people told our people “Hey, y’all ‘member when so many of you were crowing over the possibility of terrorist cells being able to easily sneak in during the Biden Presidency? Welp, turns out y’all were completely right to be concerned. We’ve got Islamic Brotherhood groups throughout America, ready willing and able to proceed as instructed. Proceed accordingly.”

I mean, is that truly an unreasonable possibility in our world and country today, particularly given the cartoonish nature of border security for a four year period? Seems like a whole bunch could get accomplished in that lengthy time frame, insofar as the cells are concerned. But actually the main point I’d like to get across is the reality that is clearly forgotten by most amongst us is that there’s in all likelihood some factor or factors that are greatly (maybe even “severely” influencing the entire matter) that we just don’t know about and likely aren’t smart enough to contemplate or anticipate.

Cliffs: There is/are likely significant factors at play, of which we aren’t aware (and maybe shouldn’t be, depending on the circumstances).

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Bros, if by all metrics you’ve militarily defeated another country (in what almost everyone insisted was full on, official war), since when does the victor of an all out war pay heed to the territorial “rights” of the defeated country? We were/are at war with them. We by all metrics defeated them. They lost legitimate rights to object.

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It's almost like we haven't actually fully defeated them militarily, despite the boasting, isn't it? Like maybe we can't just impose terms and are actually kind of fricked if the strait stays closed? So now our options are to try and make a deal with Iran, who are unreliable on the best of days, while Israel does its best to screw up any progress. Or, actually use enough military force to be a victor in an all out war, which for whatever reason the administration seems pretty reluctant to do. (Probably not just, as people in this thread are suggesting, that we're just being nice.).

By the way I didn't see your response when you asked for specifics about how Israel is fricking up the peace deal, and the other guy gave specifics with links that explain it very clearly. Maybe you missed it.

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It's almost like we haven't actually fully defeated them militarily, despite the boasting, isn't it? Like maybe we can't just impose terms and are actually kind of fricked if the strait stays closed? So now our options are to try and make a deal with Iran, who are unreliable on the best of days, while Israel does its best to screw up any progress. Or, actually use enough military force to be a victor in an all out war, which for whatever reason the administration seems pretty reluctant to do. (Probably not just, as people in this thread are suggesting, that we're just being nice.).

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Golly gee—it’s almost like all of this was insanely obvious from the moment we started this war. If only anyone would have said it was a bad idea that was never going to work.

You know that there are pearl clutchers at every geo political move.

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There are gun ho posters that wanted to nuke Iran, Lebanon, Syria, and whereever Iran had a secret nuke missile facility. Khag Island, Gillgan's island.

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I am of the opinion that you don’t war half-assed. You either nuke everyone and everything to glass, you send an overwhelming shock and awe invasion of ground forces supported by air and sea with fully equipped logistics supply chains, or you don’t do it at all.

If Trump lacked the popular support or logistics for a ground invasion, and glass isn’t the solution to the problem at hand, he shouldn’t have gotten involved at all.

shite…sign me back up for a ground invasion. We owe those fricks an arse kicking

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I could destroy a row easily

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Those squared up shells are a bitch and a mess to eat. They do make a pretty presentation however. I prefer the traditional bent style.

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The idea that the peopling running this op don't have all of the possibilities wargames out in advance is laughable but it fits with the shrill assholes pushing it.

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OK, it was war gamed and the war gaming was spot on. Tell us why, then, POTUS told the world in early March “this will take three weeks or so”. I ask, because now he looks like a fricking fool for having said that. Why did Trump knowingly choose to look like a fricking fool?

Ehhhhh, he's just mouthing off. He's not going to bomb the shiit out of anybody any time soon. This is just theater.....on both sides.

While we can agree that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization and that their support is low in Lebanon that doesn’t suggest support for Israel’s current response.
Summary: No, Lebanon as a state does not want an Israeli invasion or prolonged occupation of southern Lebanon. The Lebanese government, army, and much of the population strongly oppose it, viewing it as a violation of sovereignty, though views differ sharply across factions (especially regarding Hezbollah).
Reuters: Israel-Lebanon Conflict

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The Lebanese government (under Prime Minister Nawaf Salam and President Joseph Aoun) has condemned Israeli operations, called for full Israeli withdrawal, and pushed for ceasefires tied to respect for Lebanon’s territorial integrity. It has taken steps to assert control in the south, including deploying the army south of the Litani River, banning Hezbollah’s military activities in some contexts, and engaging in U.S.-mediated talks with Israel for de-escalation.

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Significant war fatigue across Lebanon, with over a million displaced and widespread destruction. Many Lebanese (especially non-Shia) blame Hezbollah for dragging the country into conflict and support state efforts to curb its military power to avoid further Israeli responses.

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Please don’t conflate a lack of support for Hezbollah for supporting a war in which a million Lebanese have been displaced or wanting a permanent “buffer zone” ie Israeli permanent occupation of Lebanon as is currently taking place.

The position is absurd as they would be supporting the removal of a million Lebanese including Christians from that zone permanently.

Also please don’t so naive as to think Israel is ever giving back what it’s taken as they themselves say they have no intention of doing so.

So yes, the smartest and best course of actions for the US vis-à-vis the Iranian conflict is to force a peace deal in Lebanon for whatever period of time is required to restock global energy reserves at which time if it’s required we can reengage with Iran militarily without a ticking clock running down to an energy crisis and a better plan for how to force them to a more sustainable deal for all parties.