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Ohio’s version of “school choice” just underwent its first major study: Here are results
Posted on 4/26/25 at 11:53 pm
Posted on 4/26/25 at 11:53 pm
The program is a bit different than the one in Louisiana
The study also found for the public schools where students are eligible to receive the vouchers, performance improved as well, due to the schools having to compete to keep the kids from leaving
WSJ: Largest study ever done on Ohio voucher program finds it improved student outcomes
Important to note that the Ohio program, up until recently
1) was only eligible for low income students
2) the kids had to be in the bottom 20% of Ohio schools to be eligible
Even with these limitations, the program made a difference
Also, note that the teachers unions opposed it even though wealthy families were ineligible for the program.
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Ohio’s Educational Choice Scholarship Program began in 2005 as a state-funded voucher program for students in lousy public schools. In 2013-14 it began to serve low-income students regardless of school. Since the 2023-24 school year it’s been open to all students, though more affluent Ohio families aren’t eligible for full scholarships.
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Researchers Matthew Chingos, David Figlio and Krzysztof Karbownik studied more than 6,000 Ohio students who first used EdChoice scholarships to attend private schools between 2008 and 2014. They compared this group with more than 500,000 students who remained in public schools, selecting for similar demographics and academic characteristics.
Scholarship recipients were found to be 15 percentage points more likely to attend college than public school counterparts, and nine points more likely to graduate. Students in the program for at least four years—about 60% of participants—had even higher college enrollment and graduation rates.
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Groups that benefited the most were blacks, boys, students who experienced long-term childhood poverty, and students with below-median test scores before leaving public school. The rate of college enrollment among black scholarship recipients increased 18 percentage points, compared with 13 points for white students. Students who spent more than three-quarters of their life in poverty saw their rate of college attendance increase 17 percentage points, up to seven points higher than students from less impoverished backgrounds.
The study also found for the public schools where students are eligible to receive the vouchers, performance improved as well, due to the schools having to compete to keep the kids from leaving
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Opponents deride school choice programs as the enemy of public education. The data tell a different story. Before EdChoice was made universal, only persistently underperforming public schools were eligible. To capture the effect of the program on public schools, the authors compared outcomes at schools on either side of the eligibility threshold. Students who remained at EdChoice-eligible public schools were three percentage points more likely to attend college—and six percentage points more likely to graduate—than students at ineligible public schools.
WSJ: Largest study ever done on Ohio voucher program finds it improved student outcomes
Important to note that the Ohio program, up until recently
1) was only eligible for low income students
2) the kids had to be in the bottom 20% of Ohio schools to be eligible
Even with these limitations, the program made a difference
Also, note that the teachers unions opposed it even though wealthy families were ineligible for the program.
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Posted on 4/26/25 at 11:56 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Pub school need competition. School choice will be good for pub and private in the long run
Posted on 4/27/25 at 12:04 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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though more affluent Ohio families aren’t eligible for full scholarships.
Are these academic schollys?
Posted on 4/27/25 at 12:06 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Important to note that the Ohio program, up until recently
1) was only eligible for low income students
2) the kids had to be in the bottom 20% of Ohio schools to be eligible
Even with these limitations, the program made a difference
Perhaps because of these limitations.
This post was edited on 4/27/25 at 12:08 am
Posted on 4/27/25 at 12:10 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Studies of voucher programs in Ohio and other states have found negative impacts on participants’ state test scores. Our findings of positive impacts on college enrollment and degree attainment indicate that state test scores might not be the best way to judge the performance of private schools, which often have different curricula from public schools and might face different incentives to concentrate on than state examinations.
If we’re disregarding state test scores to celebrate college attendance, how are we supposed to judge the education provided by public schools? Solely on college attendance and graduation?
This post was edited on 4/27/25 at 12:11 am
Posted on 4/27/25 at 12:15 am to 4cubbies
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If we’re disregarding state test scores to celebrate college attendance, how are we supposed to judge the education provided by public schools? Solely on college attendance and graduation?
What's more important to a child's future? One of their 10th grade social studies test scores or graduation college?
Hrm...
Uh....
That's a tough one...
Posted on 4/27/25 at 12:22 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Compare to Illinois.
We have a side by side A/B test case of two approaches. Which one works better?
We have a side by side A/B test case of two approaches. Which one works better?
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Posted on 4/27/25 at 12:25 am to Azkiger
So you agree the efficacy of schools and teachers shouldn’t be judged on standardized test scores.
It looks like you’re advocating for every single person to attend and graduate from college - is that accurate? So we can only judge how “good” or “bad” teachers and schools are by whether or not kids graduate from college?
It looks like you’re advocating for every single person to attend and graduate from college - is that accurate? So we can only judge how “good” or “bad” teachers and schools are by whether or not kids graduate from college?
Posted on 4/27/25 at 12:28 am to 4cubbies
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So you agree the efficacy of schools and teachers shouldn’t be judged on standardized test scores.
It looks like you’re advocating for every single person to attend and graduate from college - is that accurate? So we can only judge how “good” or “bad” teachers and schools are by whether or not kids graduate from college?
I would say college graduation rates are more important than test scores.
When you apply for a job, they don't ask for test scores, they ask for diploma info.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 12:34 am to Azkiger
I want to make sure I follow- Every person should go to college and if they ever graduate, we can then rate the education provided by their third, fourth, fifth, etc grade teachers. If they don’t graduate from college, then we’ll know that the teachers they had 10+ years earlier were not good. If they do graduate, we’ll be able to rate the education provided by their teachers 10+ years earlier.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 12:38 am to 4cubbies
Let's go one thing at a time.
Where did I say this?
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Every person should go to college...
Where did I say this?
Posted on 4/27/25 at 12:40 am to Azkiger
If we can only judge the quality of an education based on college graduation, we need everyone to go to college so we can judge the quality of their educations.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 12:45 am to 4cubbies
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If we can only judge the quality of an education based on college graduation, we need everyone to go to college so we can judge the quality of their educations.
If you can't meet the cut for college admission you're not going to graduate. No need to waste resources.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 12:45 am to TBoy
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Perhaps because of these limitations.
Nope.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 12:47 am to 4cubbies
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I want to make sure I follow- Every person should go to college and if they ever graduate, we can then rate the education provided by their third, fourth, fifth, etc grade teachers. If they don’t graduate from college, then we’ll know that the teachers they had 10+ years earlier were not good. If they do graduate, we’ll be able to rate the education provided by their teachers 10+ years earlier.
What a load of nonsensical garbage.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 12:49 am to Azkiger
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If you can't meet the cut for college admission you're not going to graduate. No need to waste resources.
Then what’s your metric to judge the quality of education? If some can’t get into college - all the teachers they’ve ever had were bad. If someone can get into college but doesn’t graduate- all the teachers they’ve ever had were bad. If someone graduates from college- all the teachers they’ve ever had were good?
Since we’re disregarding standardized test scores in favor of college attendance and graduation, this is the only metric that would make sense.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 12:58 am to 4cubbies
You are just mad because without the states near monopoly in education it will be more difficult for the dim-marxists to indoctrinate the students.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 1:01 am to geoag58
I’m not mad at all. I already know school vouchers don’t improve education from the many, many, many studies across many states that have been done since the advent of school vouchers.
This study also demonstrates that students who went to voucher schools performed worse than their public school peers on standardized tests.
This study also demonstrates that students who went to voucher schools performed worse than their public school peers on standardized tests.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 1:23 am to 4cubbies
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This study also demonstrates that students who went to voucher schools performed worse than their public school peers on standardized tests.
Who gives a damn about a standardized test? Standardized testing is one of the most idiotic implementations in the education system.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 1:33 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
School choice is what middle to upper class people who want there kids out of shitty school districts and want them better schools. It’s not about the poor or the minorities.
I can understand why some people like or want school choice, but I am not a fan. It would be like the NIL in college and it would get out of control.
I moved to my public school district before I had kids for the school. The school has great academics, great sports programs, police presence at each school, and the high school has a nurse practitioner or a doctor available for students 2 to 3 times a week(free). Some parents take their kids to the doctor just to get referrals.
I chose the best district for my kids. If I wanted my kids to go to a school 10 miles away that starts teaching Spanish in kindergarten because of the high Hispanic population I would have moved to that district.
School choice would be great for my schools football team. We already have the best football program in the state and it is ranked in the top 10 best small town football programs in the country. We would ranked in the top 100 every year
I can understand why some people like or want school choice, but I am not a fan. It would be like the NIL in college and it would get out of control.
I moved to my public school district before I had kids for the school. The school has great academics, great sports programs, police presence at each school, and the high school has a nurse practitioner or a doctor available for students 2 to 3 times a week(free). Some parents take their kids to the doctor just to get referrals.
I chose the best district for my kids. If I wanted my kids to go to a school 10 miles away that starts teaching Spanish in kindergarten because of the high Hispanic population I would have moved to that district.
School choice would be great for my schools football team. We already have the best football program in the state and it is ranked in the top 10 best small town football programs in the country. We would ranked in the top 100 every year
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