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The Holodomor and Ukraines history with Russia

Posted on 2/25/22 at 9:53 am
Posted by DavidTheGnome
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 9:53 am
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This was a Stalin inflicted mass starvation of Ukraine right before WW2 that resulted in the deaths of millions. For some really gruesome pictures Google search it, people were selling their babies as meat and other horrible shite. And in typical Stalin fashion much of it being man made to starve the Ukrainians and rejecting outside aid, confiscating all their grain (and any food) to get shipped off to Moscow.

Don’t be fooled by talk of Ukraine having a long and glorious history with Russia.

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The Holodomor (Ukrainian: ????????´?, romanized: Holodomor, IPA: [?olodo'm?r];[2] derived from ?????? ???????, moryty holodom, 'to kill by starvation'),[a][3][4][5] also known as the Terror-Famine[6][7][8] or the Great Famine,[9] was a famine in Soviet Ukraine from 1932 to 1933 that killed millions of Ukrainians. It was a large part of the wider Soviet famine of 1932–1933. The term Holodomor emphasises the famine's man-made and allegedly intentional aspects such as rejection of outside aid, confiscation of all household foodstuffs and restriction of population movement. As part of the wider Soviet famine of 1932–1933 which affected the major grain-producing areas of the country, millions of inhabitants of Ukraine, the majority of whom were ethnic Ukrainians, died of starvation in a peacetime catastrophe unprecedented in the history of Ukraine.[10] Since 2006, the Holodomor has been recognized by Ukraine[11] and 15 other countries as a genocide of the Ukrainian people carried out by the Soviet government.[12]





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Evidence of widespread cannibalism was documented during the Holodomor:[46][47]

Survival was a moral as well as a physical struggle. A woman doctor wrote to a friend in June 1933 that she had not yet become a cannibal, but was "not sure that I shall not be one by the time my letter reaches you." The good people died first. Those who refused to steal or to prostitute themselves died. Those who gave food to others died. Those who refused to eat corpses died. Those who refused to kill their fellow man died. Parents who resisted cannibalism died before their children did.[48]

The Soviet regime printed posters declaring: "To eat your own children is a barbarian act."[49]:?225? More than 2,500 people were convicted of cannibalism during the Holodomor.[50]






There’s a good movie called Mr Jones on Hulu about it.
Posted by VoxDawg
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 9:59 am to
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Holodomor



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Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 10:01 am to
Turns out the Soviets were the ones doing the real holocaust
Posted by GnashRebel
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 10:02 am to
Soviets were some evil motherfrickers
Posted by Blutarsky
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 10:05 am to
Posted by Malik Agar
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 10:05 am to
Hitler was right about the marxists -- it's a shame he didn't kill off every one of them
Posted by DavidTheGnome
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 10:07 am to
They absolutely were. Didn’t care one bit about an individual's life, everything was about the state (and, well, Stalin).

And it’s insane so many on here look up to a guy that fits the role and seems to be trying to get the gang back together. He’s just a savvy genius though
This post was edited on 2/25/22 at 10:09 am
Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 10:10 am to
Terrible stuff. The Holodomor famine is one of many atrocities that few know about. England’s concentration camps during the Second Boer War are another.
This post was edited on 2/25/22 at 12:19 pm
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 10:11 am to
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England’s concentration camps during the Second Boer War are another.


England kept slaves in concentration camps for years after WWII...
Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
40459 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 10:16 am to
Didn’t know that.

I get that England was an ally but these things aren’t talked about at all. It’s mind boggling.
Posted by Epaminondas
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 10:29 am to
Look up the people heading up the Holodomor. A lot of them weren't very "Russian"
Posted by SCLibertarian
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Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 10:38 am to
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Look up the people heading up the Holodomor. A lot of them weren't very "Russian"

Trotsky was himself Ukrainian.
Posted by Epaminondas
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 10:49 am to
Not just Ukrainian...
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 11:02 am to
And Kruschev was an ethnic Russian from the Ukraine. “Ukraine” literally translates as “borderland” between Russia, Romania, Poland and Hungary: all these various kingdoms and principalities have had disputes over territorial claims regarding the Ukraine at some point in their history.

The Turks likewise claimed parts of Southern Ukraine as a bailiwick of the Ottoman Empire. The point here is these issues of sovereignty in the Ukraine are ancient and complex: questions of territorial dominion and ethnic identity have long plagued the region and violent conflict to solve these issue is nothing new.
This post was edited on 2/25/22 at 11:41 pm
Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 11:09 am to
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This was a Stalin inflicted mass starvation of Ukraine right before WW2 that resulted in the deaths of millions.



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Don’t be fooled by talk of Ukraine having a long and glorious history with Russia.




Stalin wasn't Russian and it was the Bolshevik communist who starved the people in the Ukraine. The reason you don't hear much about the Holodomor is because the Bolsheviks were Jews.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 11:21 am to
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And it’s insane so many on here look up to a guy that fits the role and seems to be trying to get the gang back together.


What is equally insane (and extremely ironic) is the ruling junta in Washington D.C. is attempting to work Americans up into a froth over a territorial dispute in the hinterlands of Eastern Europe while Washington itself is under the dominion of a clique of psychopathic authoritarians hellbent on global domination.
This post was edited on 2/25/22 at 11:32 am
Posted by DerkaDerka
Member since Jul 2016
1171 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 11:35 am to
Unfun fact. The USSR did not need the grain and sold it oversees. The Holomodor was intentional and they sent fanatics in to remove all food from the houses. They would dig every crum out of crevices and cracks.

Also, see Romania and Pitesti prison for more peacetime misery put on their own subjects.
Posted by kilo
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 11:49 am to
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And it’s insane so many on here look up to a guy


I dont know why people here keep saying this. I have seen all the usual liberal suspects keep repeating this bullshite over and over.

Posted by Suck Out West
Phoenix, AZ
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 11:14 pm to
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He’s just a savvy genius though


Well, Putin is about to get away with acquiring a landmass the size of Texas loaded with wheat, corn, ore, oil, natural gas and 40 million people to resupply his country's dwindling population. All this while driving a wedge between NATO and showing them to be a paper tiger at the same time. He has emasculated NATO because he was able to convince some of their members to stupidly rely on him for energy. This was 30 years in the making. That is pretty savvy and genius if you ask me.

Another thing you idiot lefties leave out is that in that same statement Trump said "It's really sad. It wouldn't have happened with me as President".

This ineffective, drooling moron in the White House is your moron. And as far as I'm concerned, if the US ends up in a war against Russia, the idiots like you who voted for that corrupt dimentia patient who shits and farts all over himself should be taking your asses down to MEPS so that you can really start to deal with the consecquences of your choices.

My family has paid enough. It's your turn.
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
7276 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 11:18 pm to
Bela Kun, Kaganivich and Trotsky all Jewish, not Russian. Trotskyism eventually fell out of favor, they were expelled. They came to the United States, their school of thought becoming influential in the Democratic Party, and by the 70s migrated to the Republican Party and evolved into neoconservatism.

Understand also that the Soviets called themselves "internationalists" with no country and preached social justice heavily. Putin could see himself as liberating Ukraine again from the kind of people who committed the Holodomor.
This post was edited on 2/25/22 at 11:22 pm
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