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This country lost its way trying to provide a social safety net and entitlements.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:15 pm
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:15 pm
Its created and underclass dependent on government. America was at its greatest when people knew the stakes, planned their life knowing the risks and made adjustments when the unfortunate happened.
Should there be provision for the severely disabled? Yes, but thats not most of what these benefits go to.
Now you have a complete class of people who vote based on handouts. 98% of the world operates without a net. There will be winners and losers. Economic Darwinism.
There is no coming back from this. You're on a slow march to insolvency.
May take 50 years but there's nothing that will help these folks. America is not lost but its dragging unnecessary weight.
Should there be provision for the severely disabled? Yes, but thats not most of what these benefits go to.
Now you have a complete class of people who vote based on handouts. 98% of the world operates without a net. There will be winners and losers. Economic Darwinism.
There is no coming back from this. You're on a slow march to insolvency.
May take 50 years but there's nothing that will help these folks. America is not lost but its dragging unnecessary weight.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:27 pm to DiamondDog
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Its created and underclass dependent on government. America was at its greatest when people knew the stakes, planned their life knowing the risks and made adjustments when the unfortunate happened.
Basically created votes that are bought and paid for.
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Should there be provision for the severely disabled? Yes, but thats not most of what these benefits go to.
On purpose to pay for more votes and funnel enormous amounts of tax payer dollars.
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There is no coming back from this. You're on a slow march to insolvency.
That is where you are wrong. It is a fast paced march. The entitlement/fraud must be uncovered and eliminated. Doge and trump are doing this as we speak. The swamp is deep. We will see soon if it is possible.
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May take 50 years but there's nothing that will help these folks. America is not lost but it’s dragging unnecessary weight.
Again, the absurd and ridiculous crap must stop now. We started Jan 20th.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:29 pm to DiamondDog
A lot of people were living in squalor and really skinny but not skinny on purpose back during this great American heyday you speak of. People love romanticizing the good ol' days, but the good ol' days were rough for a lot of people. I'm amazed at the stories some of the old timers tell at my poker game about growing up in bumfrick middle Georgia in the 1950s. shite could get rough!
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:37 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
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A lot of people were living in squalor and really skinny but not skinny on purpose back during this great American heyday you speak of. People love romanticizing the good ol' days, but the good ol' days were rough for a lot of people. I'm amazed at the stories some of the old timers tell at my poker game about growing up in bumfrick middle Georgia in the 1950s. shite could get rough!
There still are even with tax payers paying huge amounts to government programs that do not work. The more you hand out means more administrative people getting rich. Government welfare only promotes more welfare recipients. I know many from my youth that do nothing but collect mail box money (black and white). They abuse the system. The system itself created them.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:49 pm to Warboo
The safety net is not a hammock. We have made it one.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:54 pm to DiamondDog
We are in this position because of systemic racism and generational inequality. This is also the zero-sum lie in action—the idea that if some people get help, the rest of us lose. But the truth is everyone does better when we all do better. Public investments like Social Security, Medicare, and unemployment insurance built the American middle class. When we cut those programs, we don’t just hurt “them,” we hurt everyone.
Don’t blame the safety net. Blame the greed at the top that keeps wages low, healthcare expensive, and housing out of reach which is why the safety net is needed in the first place.
Don’t blame the safety net. Blame the greed at the top that keeps wages low, healthcare expensive, and housing out of reach which is why the safety net is needed in the first place.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:56 pm to Warboo
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There still are even with tax payers paying huge amounts to government programs that do not work. The more you hand out means more administrative people getting rich. Government welfare only promotes more welfare recipients. I know many from my youth that do nothing but collect mail box money (black and white). They abuse the system. The system itself created them.
You can't compare the bottom 5-10 percent's quality of life now compared to the bottom 5-10 percent's quality of life 50-60 years ago, because there is no comparison.
You are downplaying how much harder life was back then for so many people based on black and white dad sitcoms and Norman Rockwell paintings.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:58 pm to Warboo
The real abuse isn’t poor people getting a few hundred dollars to survive—it’s billionaires and corporations dodging taxes while working families struggle. Waste is endless tax breaks for the wealthy and trillions spent on corporate welfare. DOGE is diverting your attention from a possible solution which is ensuring ultra wealthy people pay into a system they take advantage of.
This post was edited on 4/22/25 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 4/22/25 at 8:14 pm to BertyFot
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We are in this position because of systemic racism

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Registered on:4/21/2025
Oh wait nevermind alter
This post was edited on 4/22/25 at 8:16 pm
Posted on 4/22/25 at 8:18 pm to DiamondDog
The widows and orphans and severely handicapped I think we need to help.
The others, not so much.
The others, not so much.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 8:33 pm to BertyFot
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Public investments like Social Security, Medicare, and unemployment insurance built the American middle class. When we cut those programs, we don’t just hurt “them,” we hurt everyone
Absolute fricking horseshite.
Hard work, living within your means, and conservative values built the middle class. And then it’s been taxed to death.
50% of this fricking country doesnt pay taxes at all bitch.
The top 1% pay about 40% of all taxes. The next 49% pay about 60% of the rest. 50% dont pay anything at all.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 8:40 pm to BertyFot
Government assistance was supposed to be temporary. Until you got on your own feet in order to support yourself. What it did instead was incentivize people to not strive for success in order to be taken care of by the Government.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 8:40 pm to dnm3305
Hard work matters, yeah—but be real, girl, and stop pretending that’s what built the middle class on its own. The middle class was built with help from things like unions, the GI Bill, and actual government investment in regular people. Not just “values.”
Also, that “50% don’t pay taxes” line? That’s not factually correct . Most people pay a ton in payroll taxes, sales taxes, gas taxes, and property taxes even if they don’t owe federal income tax that year. Low income is not freeloading.
And yes, the top 1% pay a big chunk of taxes—because they own a massive chunk of the wealth. The system is rigged to protect them, not squeeze them.
So maybe be mad at the billionaires dodging taxes and hoarding profits. I promise you, Elon Musk isn’t reading this.
Also, that “50% don’t pay taxes” line? That’s not factually correct . Most people pay a ton in payroll taxes, sales taxes, gas taxes, and property taxes even if they don’t owe federal income tax that year. Low income is not freeloading.
And yes, the top 1% pay a big chunk of taxes—because they own a massive chunk of the wealth. The system is rigged to protect them, not squeeze them.
So maybe be mad at the billionaires dodging taxes and hoarding profits. I promise you, Elon Musk isn’t reading this.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 8:42 pm to Neutral Underground
Most people who get government assistance use it temporarily, just like it was meant to be. The majority are working, elderly, disabled, or caring for others. No one’s getting rich off food stamps or housing vouchers. If the government incentived people to stay poor, wouldn’t more people be poor?
Posted on 4/22/25 at 9:55 pm to BertyFot
They definitely incentivized women to stay single and have multiple children. Instead of getting married.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 9:59 pm to Neutral Underground
I don’t think the government incentivizes single motherhood but I do agree that some welfare policies may have unintentionally penalized marriage, but that’s not the same as encouraging people to stay single or have more kids. I think several other factors play a role.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 10:00 pm to BertyFot
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We are in this position because of systemic racism and generational inequality.
Naw.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 10:01 pm to Jbird
Social and economic. But it’s difficult to have dialogue with someone who is committed to misunderstanding.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 10:01 pm to BertyFot
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agree that some welfare policies may have unintentionally penalized marriage
“Maybe if I admit things that every sane person knows, people will ignore that I’m a fricking moron.”
-Berty
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