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This country lost its way trying to provide a social safety net and entitlements.

Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:15 pm
Posted by DiamondDog
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2019
11875 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:15 pm
Its created and underclass dependent on government. America was at its greatest when people knew the stakes, planned their life knowing the risks and made adjustments when the unfortunate happened.

Should there be provision for the severely disabled? Yes, but thats not most of what these benefits go to.

Now you have a complete class of people who vote based on handouts. 98% of the world operates without a net. There will be winners and losers. Economic Darwinism.

There is no coming back from this. You're on a slow march to insolvency.

May take 50 years but there's nothing that will help these folks. America is not lost but its dragging unnecessary weight.
Posted by Warboo
Enterprise Alabama
Member since Sep 2018
4419 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:27 pm to
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Its created and underclass dependent on government. America was at its greatest when people knew the stakes, planned their life knowing the risks and made adjustments when the unfortunate happened.


Basically created votes that are bought and paid for.

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Should there be provision for the severely disabled? Yes, but thats not most of what these benefits go to.


On purpose to pay for more votes and funnel enormous amounts of tax payer dollars.

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There is no coming back from this. You're on a slow march to insolvency.


That is where you are wrong. It is a fast paced march. The entitlement/fraud must be uncovered and eliminated. Doge and trump are doing this as we speak. The swamp is deep. We will see soon if it is possible.

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May take 50 years but there's nothing that will help these folks. America is not lost but it’s dragging unnecessary weight.


Again, the absurd and ridiculous crap must stop now. We started Jan 20th.
Posted by Violent Hip Swivel
Member since Aug 2023
5582 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:29 pm to
A lot of people were living in squalor and really skinny but not skinny on purpose back during this great American heyday you speak of. People love romanticizing the good ol' days, but the good ol' days were rough for a lot of people. I'm amazed at the stories some of the old timers tell at my poker game about growing up in bumfrick middle Georgia in the 1950s. shite could get rough!
Posted by Warboo
Enterprise Alabama
Member since Sep 2018
4419 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:37 pm to
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A lot of people were living in squalor and really skinny but not skinny on purpose back during this great American heyday you speak of. People love romanticizing the good ol' days, but the good ol' days were rough for a lot of people. I'm amazed at the stories some of the old timers tell at my poker game about growing up in bumfrick middle Georgia in the 1950s. shite could get rough!


There still are even with tax payers paying huge amounts to government programs that do not work. The more you hand out means more administrative people getting rich. Government welfare only promotes more welfare recipients. I know many from my youth that do nothing but collect mail box money (black and white). They abuse the system. The system itself created them.
Posted by Crimson
Member since Jan 2013
1677 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:49 pm to
The safety net is not a hammock. We have made it one.
Posted by BertyFot
Member since Apr 2025
71 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:54 pm to
We are in this position because of systemic racism and generational inequality. This is also the zero-sum lie in action—the idea that if some people get help, the rest of us lose. But the truth is everyone does better when we all do better. Public investments like Social Security, Medicare, and unemployment insurance built the American middle class. When we cut those programs, we don’t just hurt “them,” we hurt everyone.

Don’t blame the safety net. Blame the greed at the top that keeps wages low, healthcare expensive, and housing out of reach which is why the safety net is needed in the first place.
Posted by Violent Hip Swivel
Member since Aug 2023
5582 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:56 pm to
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There still are even with tax payers paying huge amounts to government programs that do not work. The more you hand out means more administrative people getting rich. Government welfare only promotes more welfare recipients. I know many from my youth that do nothing but collect mail box money (black and white). They abuse the system. The system itself created them.


You can't compare the bottom 5-10 percent's quality of life now compared to the bottom 5-10 percent's quality of life 50-60 years ago, because there is no comparison.

You are downplaying how much harder life was back then for so many people based on black and white dad sitcoms and Norman Rockwell paintings.
Posted by BertyFot
Member since Apr 2025
71 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:58 pm to
The real abuse isn’t poor people getting a few hundred dollars to survive—it’s billionaires and corporations dodging taxes while working families struggle. Waste is endless tax breaks for the wealthy and trillions spent on corporate welfare. DOGE is diverting your attention from a possible solution which is ensuring ultra wealthy people pay into a system they take advantage of.
This post was edited on 4/22/25 at 8:00 pm
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
13958 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 8:14 pm to
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We are in this position because of systemic racism


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Registered on:4/21/2025


Oh wait nevermind alter
This post was edited on 4/22/25 at 8:16 pm
Posted by Lynxrufus2012
Central Kentucky
Member since Mar 2020
16223 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 8:18 pm to
The widows and orphans and severely handicapped I think we need to help.

The others, not so much.
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
14635 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 8:33 pm to
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Public investments like Social Security, Medicare, and unemployment insurance built the American middle class. When we cut those programs, we don’t just hurt “them,” we hurt everyone


Absolute fricking horseshite.

Hard work, living within your means, and conservative values built the middle class. And then it’s been taxed to death.

50% of this fricking country doesnt pay taxes at all bitch.

The top 1% pay about 40% of all taxes. The next 49% pay about 60% of the rest. 50% dont pay anything at all.
Posted by Neutral Underground
Member since Mar 2024
1170 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 8:40 pm to
Government assistance was supposed to be temporary. Until you got on your own feet in order to support yourself. What it did instead was incentivize people to not strive for success in order to be taken care of by the Government.
Posted by BertyFot
Member since Apr 2025
71 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 8:40 pm to
Hard work matters, yeah—but be real, girl, and stop pretending that’s what built the middle class on its own. The middle class was built with help from things like unions, the GI Bill, and actual government investment in regular people. Not just “values.”

Also, that “50% don’t pay taxes” line? That’s not factually correct . Most people pay a ton in payroll taxes, sales taxes, gas taxes, and property taxes even if they don’t owe federal income tax that year. Low income is not freeloading.

And yes, the top 1% pay a big chunk of taxes—because they own a massive chunk of the wealth. The system is rigged to protect them, not squeeze them.

So maybe be mad at the billionaires dodging taxes and hoarding profits. I promise you, Elon Musk isn’t reading this.
Posted by BertyFot
Member since Apr 2025
71 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 8:42 pm to
Most people who get government assistance use it temporarily, just like it was meant to be. The majority are working, elderly, disabled, or caring for others. No one’s getting rich off food stamps or housing vouchers. If the government incentived people to stay poor, wouldn’t more people be poor?
Posted by Neutral Underground
Member since Mar 2024
1170 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 9:55 pm to
They definitely incentivized women to stay single and have multiple children. Instead of getting married.
Posted by BertyFot
Member since Apr 2025
71 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 9:59 pm to
I don’t think the government incentivizes single motherhood but I do agree that some welfare policies may have unintentionally penalized marriage, but that’s not the same as encouraging people to stay single or have more kids. I think several other factors play a role.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
119620 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 10:00 pm to
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We are in this position because of systemic racism and generational inequality.


Naw.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
77303 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 10:00 pm to
What factors Alter?
Posted by BertyFot
Member since Apr 2025
71 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 10:01 pm to
Social and economic. But it’s difficult to have dialogue with someone who is committed to misunderstanding.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
119620 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 10:01 pm to
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agree that some welfare policies may have unintentionally penalized marriage


“Maybe if I admit things that every sane person knows, people will ignore that I’m a fricking moron.”
-Berty
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