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Tim Temple- Louisiana Insurance Commissioner - Deep Thoughts
Posted on 10/1/23 at 11:57 am
Posted on 10/1/23 at 11:57 am
I know nothing about Tim Temple, but I’m cautiously optimistic. Jim Donelon’s main accomplishment was not getting indicted. But now he’s basically going to take over and was put in there by the ppl who signed his election petition. I’m a little worried.
I have a few questions
1-Why did Donelon suddenly decide to stop running in the middle of the election?
2-Did Donelon abscond after fricking us over with the BCBS acquisition? Because Health insurance is the whole reason I hate Barack Obama and the Democrat party. I’m worried this change will make a bad situation, worse.
3-What does Temple propose about property insurance rates - which are completely unaffordable. In many instances the insurers themselves are derelict in their responsibilities after natural disasters which only makes matters worse. FWIW, my opinion of Donelon is that he’s too cozy with reinsurers, to the detriment of consumers and state chartered insurers, eg Farm Bureau/State Farm. I’m not sure what the solution is, but permitting Citizens Insurance and reinsurers to charge whatever TF they want isn’t the solution. The true problem is gargantuan reinsurers which aren’t located anywhere near Louisiana. These frickers are worse than Bog Banks. They’re the same assholes who tanked the mortgage situation in 2007. I hate Reinsurers with every fiber of my being.
4-I see that Temple is proposing legislative reforms and a special session to address the problem. Does anyone know what his specific suggestions may be?
5-does anyone in the insurance industry know whether it would be possible to solve the problem with some kind of charter with other states who are also prone to hurricanes in order to spread the risk pool that these reinsurers can use? I’m not sure how I feel about that all the way, but I’m open to suggestion.
I have a few questions
1-Why did Donelon suddenly decide to stop running in the middle of the election?
2-Did Donelon abscond after fricking us over with the BCBS acquisition? Because Health insurance is the whole reason I hate Barack Obama and the Democrat party. I’m worried this change will make a bad situation, worse.
3-What does Temple propose about property insurance rates - which are completely unaffordable. In many instances the insurers themselves are derelict in their responsibilities after natural disasters which only makes matters worse. FWIW, my opinion of Donelon is that he’s too cozy with reinsurers, to the detriment of consumers and state chartered insurers, eg Farm Bureau/State Farm. I’m not sure what the solution is, but permitting Citizens Insurance and reinsurers to charge whatever TF they want isn’t the solution. The true problem is gargantuan reinsurers which aren’t located anywhere near Louisiana. These frickers are worse than Bog Banks. They’re the same assholes who tanked the mortgage situation in 2007. I hate Reinsurers with every fiber of my being.
4-I see that Temple is proposing legislative reforms and a special session to address the problem. Does anyone know what his specific suggestions may be?
5-does anyone in the insurance industry know whether it would be possible to solve the problem with some kind of charter with other states who are also prone to hurricanes in order to spread the risk pool that these reinsurers can use? I’m not sure how I feel about that all the way, but I’m open to suggestion.
Posted on 10/1/23 at 12:40 pm to Wednesday
Donelon never declared to run. He wanted to retire.
The BCBS deal is dead thanks to Donelon and Jeff Landry, at least until next year.
Temple is who you should support.
Your rates are high because of predatory plaintiff attorneys and recent catastrophic hurricanes.
The BCBS deal is dead thanks to Donelon and Jeff Landry, at least until next year.
Temple is who you should support.
Your rates are high because of predatory plaintiff attorneys and recent catastrophic hurricanes.
Posted on 10/1/23 at 1:41 pm to Riverside
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Your rates are high because of predatory plaintiff attorneys and recent catastrophic hurricanes.
This is correct.
There was a judgement that came down in the western district of Louisiana in which the insured was awarded 3 times their policy limits for a hurricane Laura claim(over a million dollar award.
Then you had injury attorneys acting as glorified public adjusters in which even if the claim is paid fairly they are filing suit so they can get their atty fees. Or they were going to pre-suit mediation and the results were usually inflated indemnification and the atty fees thrown on top as to avoid suit.
One of the changes to Louisiana policies thay MAY help if appraisals are binding in Louisiana. An insured under the policy can invoke appraisal but if they don't like the result they can still file suit. In Florida appraisals are binding which usually ends the claim unless the insured party can prove bad faith.
Another change is changing the definition of "bad faith". In Louisiana if the carrier pays $1 over their original coverage they are opened up to bad faith.
It is not only affecting rates but also for new carriers not willing to do business in Louisiana to write policies. And you going to have the issue of current carriers finding underwriting issues to cancel policies to reduce their exposures.
This post was edited on 10/1/23 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 10/1/23 at 2:30 pm to Zephyrius
The case in the Western District where Church Mutual was dinged heavily was because Church Mutual repeatedly screws over their insured. They handled almost all of their claims in serious bad faith. They know they should pay their insured for obvious hurricane damage but failed to do so. When you can clearly read their own claim notes which value the claim at a higher amount than what they paid they should be held accountable.
This particular insurance company mostly insures churches. And churches are not one to enter into litigation lightly. Church Mutual continues to screw over church after church. And they know it.
I don't for one second under estimate that hurricane litigation has a negative effect on rates and coverages. And I don't disagree that bogus lawsuits also have negative effects on homeowners.
But the case you mentioned is completely a situation where an insurance company failed to pay for damages they knew they had to pay. Failed to act in good faith during the CMO procedure and went to trial knowing they were going to get their arse kicked.
Now, does this case make Louisiana and undesirable state for insurance companies? Maybe. But maybe this case sends a message that Louisiana is going to make you pay if you screw over your own customer.
This particular insurance company mostly insures churches. And churches are not one to enter into litigation lightly. Church Mutual continues to screw over church after church. And they know it.
I don't for one second under estimate that hurricane litigation has a negative effect on rates and coverages. And I don't disagree that bogus lawsuits also have negative effects on homeowners.
But the case you mentioned is completely a situation where an insurance company failed to pay for damages they knew they had to pay. Failed to act in good faith during the CMO procedure and went to trial knowing they were going to get their arse kicked.
Now, does this case make Louisiana and undesirable state for insurance companies? Maybe. But maybe this case sends a message that Louisiana is going to make you pay if you screw over your own customer.
Posted on 10/1/23 at 2:40 pm to Zephyrius
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There was a judgement that came down in the western district of Louisiana in which the insured was awarded 3 times their policy limits for a hurricane Laura claim(over a million dollar award.
You mean after the federal judge (which are usually conservative and err to the defense side) reviewed all the evidence submitted by both sides and then applied the law as written? The horror.
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Then you had injury attorneys acting as glorified public adjusters in which even if the claim is paid fairly they are filing suit so they can get their atty fees. Or they were going to pre-suit mediation and the results were usually inflated indemnification and the atty fees thrown on top as to avoid suit.
It would be illegal for an attorney to act as a public adjuster. If you have evidence of this, you should file a complaint about said attorney to the bar. But, this isn’t what’s happening.
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In Louisiana if the carrier pays $1 over their original coverage they are opened up to bad faith.
This is so far off base that it’s not even in the same ballpark. Just incredibly wrong. The statutes spell out what bad faith is and it isn’t this.
We definitely have problems, but you probably need to hit the books because none of this is correct. It’s hard to have constructive change or dialogue when people aren’t discussing reality.
Posted on 10/1/23 at 2:45 pm to AnAmericanGirl
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But the case you mentioned is completely a situation where an insurance company failed to pay for damages they knew they had to pay. Failed to act in good faith during the CMO procedure and went to trial knowing they were going to get their arse kicked.
This is 100% correct. They hired a third-party adjuster who recommended payments and they just ignored him without any reason. It wasn’t even a close call.
It’s frustrating to see this guy’s kind of rhetoric because we have problems. They aren’t going to get fixed by people just spouting off bullshite rather than confronting the actual problems.
Posted on 10/1/23 at 2:56 pm to Dixie Normus
What most fail to understand is these insurance companies while taking in premiums from homeowners are investing these funds in other avenues. They are making money using your premiums.
Now when a they have a large volume of claims they hate to deep into their savings so to speak. So they systematically deny claims, low ball claims, make the insured jump through so many hoops that the insured gives up. And this works for them a lot of the time.
But when an insured feels really screwed over. Knows they have serious damage to their property and fights back all of a sudden its the consumers fault? Naw, man. Not cool.
If these stupid companies would do right by their customers in the first place they wouldn't have to worry about litigation.
Now when a they have a large volume of claims they hate to deep into their savings so to speak. So they systematically deny claims, low ball claims, make the insured jump through so many hoops that the insured gives up. And this works for them a lot of the time.
But when an insured feels really screwed over. Knows they have serious damage to their property and fights back all of a sudden its the consumers fault? Naw, man. Not cool.
If these stupid companies would do right by their customers in the first place they wouldn't have to worry about litigation.
Posted on 10/1/23 at 3:04 pm to AnAmericanGirl
The case I had in mind is Farm Bureau.
I'm guessing you calling the complaint file by the attorney the facts.
The carriers also have their issues but bad handling does not equal bath faith.
My point above is much of the bad handling can be remedied by an appraisal process which is binding.
I'm guessing you calling the complaint file by the attorney the facts.
The carriers also have their issues but bad handling does not equal bath faith.
My point above is much of the bad handling can be remedied by an appraisal process which is binding.
This post was edited on 10/1/23 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 10/1/23 at 3:17 pm to Dixie Normus
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It would be illegal for an attorney to act as a public adjuster. If you have evidence of this, you should file a complaint about said attorney to the bar. But, this isn’t what’s happening.
This is laughable. They are representing the insured instead of using a public adjuster. But all intent and purposes are doing the same function of a public adjuster.
What makes it worse is at least the public adjuster will make some effort to resolve the claim. With attorneys they just aiming to inflate the losses to get their 30%
Posted on 10/1/23 at 3:19 pm to Wednesday
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1-Why did Donelon suddenly decide to stop running in the middle of the election?
My understanding is that he’s retiring. This would also answer #2.
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3-What does Temple propose about property insurance rates - which are completely unaffordable. In many instances the insurers themselves are derelict in their responsibilities after natural disasters which only makes matters worse. FWIW, my opinion of Donelon is that he’s too cozy with reinsurers, to the detriment of consumers and state chartered insurers, eg Farm Bureau/State Farm. I’m not sure what the solution is, but permitting Citizens Insurance and reinsurers to charge whatever TF they want isn’t the solution. The true problem is gargantuan reinsurers which aren’t located anywhere near Louisiana. These frickers are worse than Bog Banks. They’re the same assholes who tanked the mortgage situation in 2007. I hate Reinsurers with every fiber of my being.
Reinsurance is a very “gentleman’s agreement” industry. In most cases, the reinsurers are bound by the underlying claims decisions even if the reinsurer would’ve handled that claim differently themselves. One of the big problems in the wake of the storms was/is really that some of the smaller fly-by-night insurance companies didn’t have enough reinsurance. The smaller ones that are successful are usually heavily reinsured to the point where they might be out of pocket $100k on a $1m claim because they just don’t have the assets to self-fund catastrophe situations. A good chunk of the ones that went bankrupt got huge books with little reinsurance and hit insolvency extremely fast.
We actually could’ve avoided a lot of these issues by regulating a lot of these companies similar to how a bank checks a loan. If someone doesn’t have a personal assets on hand, the bank is generally going to require security on a big loan. The same concept should’ve applied to these smaller insurers where they should’ve had reinsurance requirement thresholds based on their assets and book values. I think we’ll see some of this develop over the next few years.
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4-I see that Temple is proposing legislative reforms and a special session to address the problem. Does anyone know what his specific suggestions may be?
I don’t know what Temple personally has proposed, but I know the last couple bills that went to the floor were largely centered on gutting the bad faith statutes with a few other changes.
[quote]5-does anyone in the insurance industry know whether it would be possible to solve the problem with some kind of charter with other states who are also prone to hurricanes in order to spread the risk pool that these
That’s kind of how reinsurance works. At a basic level, the main distinctions are specific or pool and excess of loss or co-insured. A reinsurance policy could be a combination of those categories (i.e., pool XOL or pool co-insured). Specific would be a policy covering an identified location while pool would be something like all properties in Louisiana (there’s a lot of ways to tailor these). They could also do all properties in multiple states. As for XOL v co-insurance, XOL is a policy where the reinsurer pays nothing until payments hit a threshold while co-insured would be they pay a percentage of the loss. A lot of times these are blended, or “layered.” As an example of layering, there could be no reinsurance for first 100k, then a 50% coinsurance up to $1m, and then fully reinsured XOL after $1m. In that example, the maximum liability of the primary insurer is $550k.
For a broader example and more to your point, let’s say an insurer has a $1b property book across SE US, $400m is in Florida, $200m is in LA, and they have two particular locations in La that are each worth $50m. They could have a layer were once their payments across their entire $1b book hit $500m, they are fully reinsured on XOL (Pool XOL). They could have another policy (layer) where once their Florida and LA combined payments hit $300m, they are reinsured with coinsurance covering 80% of the exposure after that (Pool blended XOL/coins). From there, they could have specific insurance that pays 50% of the first $25m on the big LA buildings (specific coins) and then another layer that fully reinsures them on those buildings after $25m (specific XOL). So, you can spread your risk a ton through reinsurance. It can get more complicated than this and even goes back further where reinsurers have their own reinsurance.
So, to your point, I don’t think it requires a charter because they can already do this in private transactions. A lot of it comes down to business planning and making sure you have enough assets to satisfy claims that are not reinsured.
Posted on 10/1/23 at 3:23 pm to Zephyrius
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This is laughable. They are representing the insured instead of using a public adjuster. But all intent and purposes are doing the same function of a public adjuster.
Just wrong. An attorney does not make an estimate of loss. A public adjuster or contractor does. Again, if you have evidence of an attorney, that is neither a licensed contractor or public adjuster, creating estimates of damage and making claims for those amounts, you should file a complaint. But, this isn’t how it works.
Posted on 10/1/23 at 3:26 pm to Riverside
Your rates are high because of predatory plaintiff attorneys.
BS
BS
Posted on 10/1/23 at 3:26 pm to Wednesday
His dad was Aubrey Temple one of the founders of Amerisafe in DeRidder and founding Chairman of the board of LWCC. Tim has been on the other side of insurance (not consumer) his whole life and has known wealth his whole life because of it.
Tim is going to be another Comissioner FOR insurance. Not OF insurance. Huge difference
Tim is going to be another Comissioner FOR insurance. Not OF insurance. Huge difference
This post was edited on 10/1/23 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 10/1/23 at 3:40 pm to Dixie Normus
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Just wrong. An attorney does not make an estimate of loss. A public adjuster or contractor does.
You're just being obtuse now. They do hire/ contract a 3rd party to create an estimate which is almost always over scoped and inflated which they send/ represent to the insurer.
Posted on 10/1/23 at 3:53 pm to Zephyrius
Need more info to tell if you have your facts straight on theFab claim.
Posted on 10/1/23 at 4:02 pm to KemoSabe65
The reply was suppose to be for Dixie
This is from the one of the lawyers busted for insurance fraud with McClenney Moses and Associates.
LINK
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Just wrong. An attorney does not make an estimate of loss. A public adjuster or contractor does.
This is from the one of the lawyers busted for insurance fraud with McClenney Moses and Associates.
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Gardiner said he and other attorneys at MMA were kept in separate silos. He said the law firm operated like an assembly line. One lawyer worked on mediations and another on damage estimates. His job was limited to negotiating settlements with insurers and preparing for mediations.
LINK
This post was edited on 10/1/23 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 10/1/23 at 4:29 pm to Zephyrius
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You're just being obtuse now. They do hire/ contract a 3rd party to create an estimate which is almost always over scoped and inflated which they send/ represent to the insurer.
So, it's not attorneys acting as public adjusters like you previously said. You now pivot to attorneys hiring public adjusters which is a commonplace practice for both insureds and insurance companies. Yet somehow, I'm obtuse for pointing out that you're wrong for saying attorneys are acting as public adjusters (which your recent post seemingly acknowledges that you were wrong).
You do realize insurance companies hire third party adjusters? Why are their adjuster reports not under-scoped? Surely, you approach their scopes with the same skepticism since both plaintiffs and insurers have polar monetary incentives (one wants a bigger claim to make more and one wants a smaller claim to pay less).
Also, to your other solution about binding appraisals. The legislature added it to the bad-faith statute sometime after Laura/Delta. It allows a stay of litigation while the appraisal is processed even if lawsuit was filed prior to the insurers invocation of appraisal. The insurers rarely use it because the third-party appraisals generally come in higher than their numbers. Looks like you'll need to get back to the drawing board.
I'm also not saying there isn't abuse because there absolutely is. But, it is "obtuse" to act like it is the only problem with our insurance industry. Unfortunately, everyone wants a boogeyman nowadays rather than trying to approach the real situation. The result is we get stuck with rhetoric like yours instead of constructive dialogue about changes that could turn it around.
Posted on 10/1/23 at 4:43 pm to Zephyrius
You do realize MMA's partners are likely facing prison-time (possibly federally) and have all been disbarred in Louisiana for what they did? Like I said, it's illegal and if you have proof of someone doing what MMA did, please turn them in. It's an exceptional case, and, in the grand scheme of things, the insurers caught on extremely quickly and MMA did far more damage to the insureds than the insurance company. For example, they are accused of cashing checks the insurer wrote to the insured (by forging the insureds signature). The insurer isn't being subject to double liability and having to rewrite another check to the insured. It's the insured that is having to go after MMA for the money.
But, herein lies the problem. You took the most extreme case on the insured side and are parroting it as the norm. If we use that logic, someone could point to the insurance commissioner fining four different insurers for improper conduct and act like that is the norm for insurers.
Because people need a boogeyman, people will continue to point fingers rather than confront the real problems.
But, herein lies the problem. You took the most extreme case on the insured side and are parroting it as the norm. If we use that logic, someone could point to the insurance commissioner fining four different insurers for improper conduct and act like that is the norm for insurers.
Because people need a boogeyman, people will continue to point fingers rather than confront the real problems.
Posted on 10/1/23 at 4:50 pm to Zephyrius
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My point above is much of the bad handling can be remedied by an appraisal process which is binding.
100% Agree.
Is it something the Commish can do or would it have to go through Legislature? I am not sure even in our supposed Conservative majority that this could get through.
It is worth exploring to prevent some of these crazy lawsuits.
Yes, I am in the field, and I have seen ridiculous payouts for something that could have simply gone thru appraisal and be much more reasonable for all parties.
Posted on 10/1/23 at 4:58 pm to Zephyrius
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You're just being obtuse now. They do hire/ contract a 3rd party to create an estimate which is almost always over scoped and inflated which they send/ represent to the insurer.
Verified. Trust me or not, I see it all the time.
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