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re: Trump has cured the entire world of the flu virus...He’s amazing...
Posted on 10/26/20 at 12:53 pm to Sasquatch Smash
Posted on 10/26/20 at 12:53 pm to Sasquatch Smash
dude, really? You thought this stuff was "invented" in january specifically for covid19?
thats cute.
But frick it. here you go
Harvard 2013
NIH 2009
Cambridge 2010
CDC 2017
thats cute.
But frick it. here you go
Harvard 2013
NIH 2009
Cambridge 2010
CDC 2017
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Posted on 10/26/20 at 1:14 pm to Vacherie Saint
Did you bother to read anything other than the title and abstract for any of these citations?
This study is about the PRESUMED MECHANISM of transmission, looking at particles and aerosols...does not "prove" masks reduce infections. Surgical masks, not cloth masks.
This was one of the 10 best studies the WHO used, which found no significant difference between masked and control. Medical type masks, including masks that should have been fit-tested, not cloth masks.
Guidelines are not proof that things reduce infections. Also, they are discussing medical masks and not homemade cloth masks.
Try again. We're looking for something that says "significant reduction in infections."
Bravo on not including any of the nonsensical modeling papers that have come out recently.
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Harvard 2013
This study is about the PRESUMED MECHANISM of transmission, looking at particles and aerosols...does not "prove" masks reduce infections. Surgical masks, not cloth masks.
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NIH 2009
This was one of the 10 best studies the WHO used, which found no significant difference between masked and control. Medical type masks, including masks that should have been fit-tested, not cloth masks.
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Although our study suggests that community use of face masks is unlikely to be an effective control policy for seasonal respiratory diseases, adherent mask users had a significant reduction in the risk for clinical infection. Another recent study that examined the use of surgical masks and handwashing for the prevention of influenza transmission also found no significant difference between the intervention arms
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Cambridge 2010
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In conclusion there remains a substantial gap in the scientific literature on the effectiveness of face masks to reduce transmission of influenza virus infection. While there is some experimental evidence that masks should be able to reduce infectiousness under controlled conditions [7], there is less evidence on whether this translates to effectiveness in natural settings. There is little evidence to support the effectiveness of face masks to reduce the risk of infection.
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CDC 2017
Guidelines are not proof that things reduce infections. Also, they are discussing medical masks and not homemade cloth masks.
Try again. We're looking for something that says "significant reduction in infections."
Bravo on not including any of the nonsensical modeling papers that have come out recently.
This post was edited on 10/26/20 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 10/26/20 at 1:17 pm to Vacherie Saint
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I know what you are thinking, but seasonal flu is OBVIOUSLY down because we are all practicing measures to reduce flu spread. To me, this is just more evidence that these measures work for seasonal flu, but COVID really doesnt gaf about them and will spread regardless.
So masks are responsible for a 98% decrease in the flue
Or maybe our reporting of COVID is bullshite. The flu didn't basically just go away completely because of masks and social distancing while COVID cases allegedly sky-rocket. That defies even the most basic logic. People washing their hands, wearing masks, and social distancing didn't wipe out the flu to a statistically irrelevant level. I'm sure that helps with a reduction in cases, but it wouldn't effectively purge the world of the flu
This post was edited on 10/26/20 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 10/26/20 at 1:19 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
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I'm still amazed at how he saved millions of American lives. We were supposed to have close to 3M dead with initial projections.
The original projections were 2 million dead by the end of the year if nothing was done. That meant no social distancing measures, no masks, and no shutdowns.
At the time Trump and his followers called these numbers bogus and made up to try and scare everyone.
I find it amazing that Trump and his followers now use this figure as proof he didn't frick up.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 1:21 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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If you can't understand the context of the usage or refuse to for gotchas then we're not having an honest discussion.
Right, it's my fault that you don't know the importance of using proper terminology.
There isn't a shred of evidence to support your claim but in your mind, we've somehow essentially eradicated the flu. In October. Carry on, I guess.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 1:24 pm to nematocyte
Look who didn't read the thread. Carry on, I guess.
This post was edited on 10/26/20 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 10/26/20 at 1:28 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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Look who didn't read the thread. Carry on, I guess.
Hmmm, I think I fricked up here. My apologies, for whatever that's worth.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 1:28 pm to Vacherie Saint
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The takeaway here is that these measures are effective against seasonal flu, but havent really worked against covid.
Why would this be the case? Aren’t they both respiratory viruses that spread the exact same way? Sincere question.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 1:29 pm to TiketheMiger
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The original projections were 2 million dead by the end of the year if nothing was done.
With the bulk of that happening in June/July.
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At the time Trump and his followers called these numbers bogus and made up to try and scare everyone.
They most certainly were.
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I find it amazing that Trump and his followers now use this figure as proof he didn't frick up.
Why not? It was touted as truth and used to scare him into action.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 1:29 pm to Vacherie Saint
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we are talking about dozens of cases... dozens
exactly...dozens of total cases in a country of 330 million people
and let's look at other places in the world
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And in South Africa, surveillance tests picked up just two cases at the beginning of the season, which quickly dropped to zero over the following month – overall, a 99 per cent drop compared with the previous year.
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In the UK, our flu season is only just beginning. But since Covid-19 began spreading in March, just 767 cases have been reported to the WHO compared with nearly 7,000 from March to October last year.
Other notable discussion in aticle
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'But for Covid, at present we think only 15 to 20 per cent of people in hard-hit places like New York have been exposed. Most places will be a lot lower than that.
'That's not enough for Covid to prevent flu by interference and certainly not enough to account for the huge drops in flu we've seen in the statistics.'
Viral interference, typically, would also not have caused such a sudden drop in flu cases, adds Dr Strain.
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The incubation period for flu is also lower. After being infected with flu, it typically causes illness within two days, compared with five days on average for Covid-19.
That means it's far more likely that individuals will be going about their business while unknowingly infecting others with Covid-19 than they will if they come down with flu.
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Common colds probably shore up our defences against other viruses. If we completely shut down transmission of these with lockdown measures, and then open things up again, will we see bigger peaks of coronavirus and other viruses?
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There is also the danger that, in the absence of testing flu cases in this country and elsewhere, flu cases could be mistaken for Covid-19.
The picture for flu is therefore 'muddied', Prof Stewart says.
What happens as we move into flu season is still unknown. Some point out flu deaths might be reduced because many of the vulnerable and elderly have already succumbed to coronavirus. But flu remains a very real risk.
Prof Stewart says: 'We need to maintain or increase flu vaccination as there will be flu circulating, and if the vulnerable are co-infected then the consequences could be much worse.'
Posted on 10/26/20 at 1:33 pm to Tcalman
I had severe sore throat Friday night and went to a walk-in Saturday.
Every time in my life I've had these symptoms in the past I always was swabbed for flu and strep.
This time it was covid-19 and strep
Both negative, steroid shot in my arse from a cute nursing student, amoxicillin and I'm good to go 2 days later
Every time in my life I've had these symptoms in the past I always was swabbed for flu and strep.
This time it was covid-19 and strep
Both negative, steroid shot in my arse from a cute nursing student, amoxicillin and I'm good to go 2 days later
This post was edited on 10/26/20 at 1:37 pm
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