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re: Trump vs Powell. It’s On!

Posted on 4/22/25 at 11:41 am to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 4/22/25 at 11:41 am to
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The economy slowed during trump’s first term?
Yes. Economic Growth slowed 30% in 3Q and 4Q 2019 d/t Fed Policy, significantly underperforming expectations in the 4thQ preCV19
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/22/25 at 11:47 am to
So our economy needed basically free money to continue growing?


It’s not like interest rates were ever high during the first trump admin. They went from near 0 to 2.5%

We are at 4.5% now.
Posted by Bayou_Tiger_225
Third Earth
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 4/22/25 at 11:55 am to
Calling me an idiot doesn’t change the fact that rates were raise too slow from 2015 to 2018, and they shouldn’t have been lowered in the back end of 2019.

They were keeping artificially low, with Trump championing the artificially low rates because he didn’t want to be the bad guy to slow down the economy. The economy was humming along. There was zero reason to keep the rates for .5% to 2.5% from 2016 to 2019. They were still considered historically low. By 2018 the rate should have been around 4.5% to 5%
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 4/22/25 at 12:00 pm to
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Calling me an idiot doesn’t change the fact
Nor does it change the fact that you demonstrate no clue whatsoever as to FOMC rate drivers and/or mandate.
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They were keeping artificially low, with Trump
You don't know WTF you are talking about. Your willingness to repeat clueless comments is what makes you an idiot.

ETA:
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By 2018 the rate should have been around 4.5% to 5%
Good Lord!
This post was edited on 4/22/25 at 1:27 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 4/22/25 at 12:04 pm to
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So our economy needed basically free money to continue growing?
John Taylor would like a word, as would the Fed Mandate. The rest is irrelevant.
Posted by YouKnowImRight
Member since Oct 2023
2097 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 12:04 pm to
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the rates should stay exactly where they are now


Correct. Until inflation gets below 2%, they shouldn't move it. It will be years before we see any wage benefits from reshoring manufacturing, but it will be weeks before we see the price pressure from increased tariffs. Any inflationary move by the fed may not be recoverable by the mid-terms, or even the next Presidential election.

If we're playing the long game, we need to ensure our dollar holds its value, especially if China retaliates by flooding the market with cheap bonds.

There is only one way Democrats take back Congress or the White House, and that's a slow economy. We could be in three wars and people would still vote for the incumbents if the economy is strong.
Posted by SlayTime
Member since Jan 2025
1217 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 12:07 pm to
I hate the FED

Trump hates the FED

I now love the FED
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/22/25 at 12:08 pm to
What about the Fed’s mandate would have led them to decrease rates prior to Q3 2019? Inflation was low and employment was very strong prior to their cuts.
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
55357 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 12:26 pm to
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So our economy needed basically free money to continue growing?


Yes and it should concern the hell out of everyone.

Going back to 2008 the federal deficit has been larger than GDP growth for every year but three (2015, 2017 & 2021). The last year was just an outcropping from the insane level COVID deficit spending in 2020 & 2021.

Since COVID, deficit spending has averaged 89% higher than GDP growth.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
130706 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 12:26 pm to
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What about the Fed’s mandate
We were below target rates while maintaining restrictive policy.
Posted by RobbBobb
Matt Flynn, BCS MVP
Member since Feb 2007
31014 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 12:59 pm to
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Powell needs to stop playing politics and cut rates

No one wants to comment on how he never raised rates while Obama was president. Even when Obama was saying there was no magic wand to bring the economy back. The Fed falsely propped him up, because they had to DEI the presidency

Pure politics
Posted by icecreamsnowball
Member since Mar 2025
141 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 1:00 pm to
End the Fed!
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
60474 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 1:03 pm to
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Powell went on to say this could create a “challenging scenario” for the central bank because anything it does with interest rates to address inflationary pressures could worsen unemployment, and vice versa.

Ae have the best stagflation don’t we folks?
Posted by geoag58
Member since Nov 2011
933 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 1:12 pm to
Three people have down voted your post. I guess they don't believe their lying eyes.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
48558 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 1:17 pm to
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He's not acting in the best interest of the American people. He's on a personal vendetta against Trump.

Who appointed Powell as Fed Chair?



I’m not anti-Trump, at all, but this is another example of how bad some of his appointments were during his first term.
This post was edited on 4/22/25 at 1:19 pm
Posted by Mandtgr47
Member since Aug 2024
5379 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 1:19 pm to
Lmao at you

How does it feel to support an anti-god party?
Posted by Mandtgr47
Member since Aug 2024
5379 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 1:22 pm to
Lmao at you idiots pretending to be economists.
Posted by Fat Bastard
2024 NFL pick'em champion
Member since Mar 2009
81945 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 1:23 pm to
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Powell needs to continue to hold his ground. The rates should have been raised faster during Trump’s first term (when Trump was pushing to keep them artificially low, which was a stupid idea), and the rates should stay exactly where they are now


Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
32691 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 1:27 pm to
Yeah because DT has nothing to do with it

It’s everyone else. Never DT. Ever.
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
32691 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 1:28 pm to
100%

Most of these monkeydicks couldn’t reconcile a fricking piggy bank…..
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