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re: White House proposes eliminating Head Start funding as part of sweeping budget cuts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 2:23 pm to 4cubbies
Posted on 4/22/25 at 2:23 pm to 4cubbies
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I'd love to see this research.
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Here is a summary of the results (from Lipsey et al., 2018). At the end of the pre-k year, those in pre-k performed better than the control group on a set of achievement tests, but during kindergarten and thereafter the children in the control group caught up and surpassed them. On the third-grade state achievement tests, those in the control group performed significantly better than those in the pre-k group in math and science and equally well in reading. Moreover, those in the pre-k group were more likely to be diagnosed as having learning disorders than those in the control group and also had a higher rate of school rule violations. So, this expensive, intensive program designed to help poor children get a head start in school backfired. The children who, by random selection, were not in the pre-k program performed better academically and behaviorally and were less likely to need special services in elementary school, than those who were in the program.
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Posted on 4/22/25 at 2:23 pm to Tigertittie
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I know you're going to ignore this, but there's no way out of this mess without painful cuts.
That goes for programs that both the left and the right support, but no one wants to hear that.
She will most definitely ignore the truth. Liberals live in a world where unicorn farts and money machines are unlimited! We just need to tax more and fund transgender Seasame Street productions in Nepal!
Posted on 4/22/25 at 2:24 pm to 4cubbies
Is this cuts to funds period or is this similar to the DOE, in which federal funds are to sent directly to the state to handle their own implementation of education curriculum and funding?
Posted on 4/22/25 at 2:24 pm to TxRan2020
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It’s a pre-k program for low income family’s children, to give them a “head start”
So they actually take them to school early?
Im guessing we have teachers for these head start children?
Sounds like a way for moms to drop off kids just to be able to drive back home and frick off a couple hours a day and not work.
Thats just me though.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 2:25 pm to beerJeep
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Here is a summary of the results (from Lipsey et al., 2018).
lol you relied on AI to read it for you. you must be a product of Head Start.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 2:25 pm to Powerman
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Some programs more or less pay for themselves in the long run
That mindset has now become a luxury when it comes to federal spending (not specifying it to this topic, just in general on all federal spending).
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This doesn't seem to be a smart or thoughtful cut
It may be both. Head Start has traditionally suffered from quality variability, access and scale (only ~36% of estimated kids who could benefit from it are serviced) and "fade out" (the 2010 Head Start Impact Study showed gains often "fade out" by the 3rd grade as there's no recurring follow-ups as the kids age).
We're ridiculously in debt and a recession is moving in. We don't have the money any longer for a lot of things and people are going to have to start realizing that to continue Program A, there needs to be cuts or a complete shutdown of Programs B and C.
This is what happens when you run your economy off using government as a redistributor of wealth.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 2:25 pm to 4cubbies
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quote: There have been dozens of studies showing Head Start is worthless and a waste of money. share one.
We have this thread every couple years. There are studies that show improvements. But there’s also studies that show those gains fade and once the student students hit about 3rd or 4th grade they’re right back where they started.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 2:25 pm to 4cubbies
I did vote for this.
There are countless studies that show any benefit from Head Start disappears by the 3rd grade.
There are countless studies that show any benefit from Head Start disappears by the 3rd grade.
This post was edited on 4/22/25 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 4/22/25 at 2:25 pm to 4cubbies
Head Start doesn't work. Look at the actual results. But you know the usual suspects will bitch and moan.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 2:25 pm to Powerman
It's Government funded day care
Posted on 4/22/25 at 2:26 pm to 4cubbies
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lol you relied on AI to read it for you. you must be a product of Head Start.
lol no I didn’t.
Go ahead and copy and paste my response into google and it will lead you right to the psychology today article I quoted it from.
Not going to challenge the 2018 study compared to your outdated 2010 study?
Because I know you’re lazy, here’s the link.
LINK
This post was edited on 4/22/25 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 4/22/25 at 2:26 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Seems like it should be a lot clearer than “well maybe it is … it’s possible” for discussing whether a multi decade long multiple billion dollars per year government program is worth it.
I'm not an expert on the program and the benefits
I'm also not naive enough to think that cutting programs won't have unintended negative consequences
If anyone is wondering the total cost of the program is ~12 billion a year
Not a drop in the bucket by any stretch. Musk has harvested over 36 billion in federal subsidies for his companies and no one seems to have a problem with him.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 2:26 pm to 4cubbies
I'm going to have to disagree with Trump on this one unless he is reworking the system and providing the service in an alternate way. Being a foster family, we are given priority when it comes to Head Start and I've seen it work wonders for our kids.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 2:26 pm to 4cubbies
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Hey, I saved the baby you killed it. Feed your fricking kid.
what does this even mean?
Also, if you support abortion can yall just get steralized instead?
Why cant we start sterilizing women who want abortions?
This solves the problem forever and no one will get mad because your pussy would be used for what you are using it for anyways.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 2:26 pm to 4cubbies
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share one.
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For those born between 1976 and 1986, they, like Deming, found Head Start provided clear benefits. For children born later, though — largely between 1986 and 1996 — the gains disappeared and even reversed in some cases. As young adults, those Head Start participants were 8 percentage points more likely to be unemployed or not in school.
New Study Questions Whether Head Start Still Produces Long Run Gains Seen in Past
Posted on 4/22/25 at 2:26 pm to 4cubbies
I have a proposal, we keep funding Head Start if you agree that no tax payer dollars go to support Planned Parenthood….would you agree to that?
Posted on 4/22/25 at 2:28 pm to 4cubbies
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The government exists to punish common Americans and increase the wealth of the elite. This aligns with the interests of the White House and MAGA.
Ahh, there it is, that sweet, sweet victimhood bullshite.
Or, and humor me here. Perhaps, just perhaps Bonquiqui should be incentivized to keep her "catchers mitt" closed. Until she is in a nuclear household capable of supporting itself.
While you're typing up a response. I'll jump ahead of you. How about research the direct correlation between the date of inception of Headstart. And the academic performance of your bastion of waste known as the USDof Education. And get back to us with a power point presentation.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 2:28 pm to jizzle6609
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Sounds like a way for moms to drop off kids just to be able to drive back home and frick off a couple hours a day and not work.
Well that's pretty much sums it up.
The usual suspects use it for daycare. And as I said if you track the students through the system you see they still end up behind.
The program has been around long enough to produce the current crop of HS school graduates.
This post was edited on 4/22/25 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 4/22/25 at 2:30 pm to 4cubbies
OK, so I'll bite. There must be a reason for this.
I know most Head Starts were ran seperate from public schools. I know within the last 5 years, most public schools have added Pre-3K and Pre-4K to their schools.
This makes me wonder if they are wanting to shift all of this to Public State Run facilities
I know most Head Starts were ran seperate from public schools. I know within the last 5 years, most public schools have added Pre-3K and Pre-4K to their schools.
This makes me wonder if they are wanting to shift all of this to Public State Run facilities
Posted on 4/22/25 at 2:31 pm to 4cubbies
The Fed. Govt. should not be in the business of funding crap like this. If the state wants it then they should pay for it. The fed. govt. was never designed for this.
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