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re: Could US be out of Copa America tomorrow?
Posted on 7/1/24 at 11:48 am to SkiUtah420
Posted on 7/1/24 at 11:48 am to SkiUtah420
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USA soccer/ soccer culture biggest issue (outside of boring arse low scoring games) is that its way to lib to be a family friendly sport
quote:you make some great points. The average American soccer fan is a purple haired, sky screaming, freak and it's very offputting
However, the overt leftism displayed by the fans and that is embraced by the MLS and Team owners is extremely offputting.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 11:57 am to WestCoastAg
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The average American soccer fan is a purple haired, sky screaming, freak and it's very offputting
Now you know how they feel about football
Posted on 7/1/24 at 12:07 pm to WestCoastAg
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The average American soccer fan is a purple haired, sky screaming, freak and it's very offputting
lol wtf
Posted on 7/1/24 at 12:11 pm to WestCoastAg
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The average American soccer fan is a purple haired, sky screaming, freak and it's very offputting
Depends on where you live in the country, went to a match at a Liverpool bar here in Houston and it was mostly ex-pats. Drink specials and loud cheering at 8a was an amazing way to start a Sunday.
Similar experience when I went to a match in Miami to watch Messi. My son and I were amongst maybe 10 other gringos but stadium was fricking rocking for that game.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 1:02 pm to SkiUtah420
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USA soccer/ soccer culture biggest issue (outside of boring arse low scoring games) is that its way to lib to be a family friendly sport
Growing up in the mid/late 90s soccer was a cool sport . Where I lived/went to school in Atlanta it was probably the biggest sport outside of baseball.
However, the overt leftism displayed by the fans and that is embraced by the MLS and Team owners is extremely offputting.
No way i am taking my son to an Atlanta United game
I only played one season of soccer as a kid. It wasn't a very big sport in my town at the time, and I stopped playing because I liked other sports more. Now, one of my children plays. I enjoy kicking the ball around with her in the yard. I think it is the greatest "little kid" sport because of it's relative simplicity (offsides is not enforced at that age). It seems like it is a lot of fun to play (at least when kids are young).
But I don't think it will ever truly get big in the US simply because a lot of it doesn't really match the ethos of other US sports. Americans value toughness, aggressiveness, and seemingly super-human athleticism (blazing speed, incredible strength, the ability to jump out of the gym, etc). The guys who play soccer are really good athletes. But the measured, methodical nature of the sport, doesn't really lend itself to a lot of aggression and remarkable athletic plays (though they do happen in games).
What Americans really don't like is the overexaggerated whining which is part of the sport. A relatively mild slide tackle occurs and you end up with a guy rolling on the ground writhing in pain like he just blew out his knee. Or mild contact occurs and two guys are flopping around like they are in the worst pain imaginable. Now, they are doing it to try to sell a foul. But it is off-putting to Americans who value guys shaking off injuries and playing through pain.
Another thing that American's really don't relate to is the "anarchy" that occurs many times after a penalty. A call gets made, and 9 guys surround the referee, following him around, whining about what happens...all while the ref takes little control of the situation and acts like he's helpless to react. Worse case scenario, he gives a player a "yellow" or "red" card like he's punishing a 1st grader. Of course there are arguments in football, baseball, basketball. But in none of those does the ref walk around acting like he's helpless to do anything. They control the game. You also have the anarchy of uncertainty. The halves end...except an undisclosed and ambiguous amount of time is seemingly arbitrarily added to the clock with no one knowing exactly when the half will end. No other American sport does that.
Also, Americans don't mind low scoring games...as long as there is a sense of drama and suspense throughout. Soccer doesn't have a lot of that as over the course of 90+ minutes a game may have only a few shots on goal.
Finally, other potential new fans are often put off by the elitist (born out of defensiveness) nature of many soccer fans. Almost like a "this sport is too nuanced and sophisticated for you trashy football, basketball fans. Of course you wouldn't like it. You're too dumb to understand or appreciate it".
I would encourage anyone with kids to let them play soccer at an early age. It's a fun sport. But I fully understand why it has never caught on big in the US
Posted on 7/1/24 at 1:38 pm to Alt26
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Or mild contact occurs and two guys are flopping around like they are in the worst pain imaginable. Now, they are doing it to try to sell a foul. But it is off-putting to Americans who value guys shaking off injuries and playing through pain.
Have you watched a basketball or football game lately. How many football games are stopped go to commercial for a player to lay on the field for 5 minutes then jog back in the next play. How often does someone drop for a cramp to slow play. While they aren't looking for penalties they aren't always hurt.
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Also, Americans don't mind low scoring games...as long as there is a sense of drama and suspense throughout. Soccer doesn't have a lot of that as over the course of 90+ minutes a game may have only a few shots on goal.
No sense of drama? The fact that a goal means so much adds to the drama. One mistake and suddenly you are tied or losing. Where is the drama in a football game when one team is up three scores and can easily keep the opponent at bay with field goals.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 1:39 pm to Dizz
You can cut the tension with a knife in the epic 0-0 tie
Posted on 7/1/24 at 2:18 pm to Barney Google
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Going to depend on Uruguay. They do not have anything to play for since they have already won the group.
Probably isn't going to matter given ho wbad Bolivia is. Panama is probably going to take the GD anyway.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 2:26 pm to SkiUtah420
Soccer (MLS/USMNT) has always been a political/cultural outlier. People who didn't fit with regular big pro sports were drawn to soccer. They could avoid most of the jock/frat mentality of other sports fans AND they could exert superiority by being interested in the refinement of European soccer (which of course isn't actually that refined).
So, I think that's an obstacle to soccer's growth in the US. Soccer orgs have to appease the base which is a turn off to normal people who might otherwise be much more drawn to it (see every suburban kid who plays soccer).
I think in time it is going to happen naturally, regular people are going to take over the game. But for so long as supporter sections look like ANTIFA rallies, they'll continue to alienate normal would-be fans. Recent major flashpoints for lefty activism (BLM stuff, pride/trans stuff) haven't helped.
So, I think that's an obstacle to soccer's growth in the US. Soccer orgs have to appease the base which is a turn off to normal people who might otherwise be much more drawn to it (see every suburban kid who plays soccer).
I think in time it is going to happen naturally, regular people are going to take over the game. But for so long as supporter sections look like ANTIFA rallies, they'll continue to alienate normal would-be fans. Recent major flashpoints for lefty activism (BLM stuff, pride/trans stuff) haven't helped.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 2:41 pm to lsu4life77
They’re going to lay down bc they’re a bunch of pussies.
Have some backbone and tell the women to make their own money and stop wearing the gay pride shite
Have some backbone and tell the women to make their own money and stop wearing the gay pride shite
Posted on 7/1/24 at 2:44 pm to lsu4life77
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US will be out of Copa America Monday.
FIFY
Posted on 7/1/24 at 3:01 pm to Alt26
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But I fully understand why it has never caught on big in the US
Posted on 7/1/24 at 9:52 pm to lsu4life77
The USA doesn’t have the athletes to compete with the rest of the world.
The USA doesn’t have the same quality of finishers / scorers as the rest of the world.
Until both of these change , USA soccer will continue to be irrelevant in the world.
The USA doesn’t have the same quality of finishers / scorers as the rest of the world.
Until both of these change , USA soccer will continue to be irrelevant in the world.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 9:58 pm to michael corleone
It’s alright. Men’s soccer is quite literally the only sport that we can’t win in.
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