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re: Gregg is tactically inept

Posted on 11/25/22 at 3:56 pm to
Posted by Broski
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 3:56 pm to
I'm working on a theory that when Gregg is forced to be pragmatic (All of the Mexico matches, and today vs England), he is actually not totally worthless in terms of gameday managing.

It's when we play teams that we are more talented than and he thinks he's American Pep, that's when we look discombobulated as frick.
Posted by AllDayEveryDay
Nawf Tejas
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 4:02 pm to
Sounds alot like LSU
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 4:03 pm to
quote:

Gregg is inept


FIFY
Posted by Earnest_P
Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 4:16 pm to
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a point today was huge


Was it, though? For what? His ability to keep the job?
Posted by Broski
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 4:18 pm to
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Was it, though? For what? His ability to keep the job?



Imagine being this miserable.
Posted by Earnest_P
Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 4:29 pm to
Just tell me the value of the point, soccer board know it all. What made it so valuable that you would clearly be playing for the point in the last twenty minutes?

Go read an article to find your talking point then come back here and fill me in.
This post was edited on 11/25/22 at 4:31 pm
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 4:30 pm to
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Just tell me the value of the point, soccer board know it all.



Tactically, not much.

But he took over a national team that was fractured and has got the player pool believing again.

quote:

Go read an article to find your talking point then come back here and fill me in.



Oh damn, you're really mad.
Posted by Earnest_P
Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 4:32 pm to
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Oh damn, you're really mad.


I am actually a little tired of you welllll ackthuallly’ing the board in every thread for the past however many years.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 4:32 pm to
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I am actually a little tired of you


So what are you gonna do about it?

I'm tired of you being a vagina.
Posted by SCgamecock2988
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 4:34 pm to
No Ream, Dest, or McKennie second yellow. That’s what I’m choosing to take away from the match.. also the point literally means nothing besides feel good factor. It is nice to not outright lose to England but yeah the point means nothing.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 4:36 pm to
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It is nice to not outright lose to England but yeah the point means nothing.


It does in the sense, that we put our destiny entirely in our own hands. Had we lost, it could potentially come down to a goal differential game should Wales beat an England team that may have rested some guys having already clinched with a win today.

So it's not much different, but it didn't mean completely nothing.
Posted by Earnest_P
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 4:44 pm to
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So it's not much different, but it didn't mean completely nothing.


It’s not that it’s totally pointless, because obviously, by definition it counts as one point.

I was responding to someone saying a point today was “huge”.

In the end, it may be huge, because Wales may beat England by 3 goals or something crazy, but in the context of what can reasonably be expected to happen, playing for the point was an overly conservative tactic, IMO.
Posted by Broski
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 4:48 pm to
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playing for the point was an overly conservative tactic,


You're going to this is me "well actually'ing" you, but I don't think we played for the point.

We didn't go balls to the wall, because you literally can't against England, but by no means parked the buss. We looked better in the attack, outshot them and had the better xG. Just because we didn't score, doesn't mean we were playing for the 0-0 draw.
Posted by Earnest_P
Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 4:54 pm to
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We didn't go balls to the wall, because you literally can't against England, but by no means parked the buss. We looked better in the attack, outshot them and had the better xG. Just because we didn't score, doesn't mean we were playing for the 0-0 draw


That’s why it felt like a wasted opportunity. If we had been holding on for dear life in the second half, I don’t think anyone would have an issue with playing for the point in the last twenty-ish minutes.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 4:59 pm to
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In the end, it may be huge, because Wales may beat England by 3 goals or something crazy, but in the context of what can reasonably be expected to happen, playing for the point was an overly conservative tactic, IMO.



I don't think we were playing for a point the first 65 minutes. We were very aggressive in midfield and had a nice little thing going down the right, where McKennie tucked in with Dest providing width and Weah was rotating into that side to give us a spare man.

We are just very limited going forward at RCB, as Zimmerman isn't a good enough passer to even attempt those two 'around the corner' balls he tried in the 1st half to McKennie, and he wasted a good chance by playing a ball with his left very early, overhitting the pass. A couple of times Musah rolled the ball very slowly out wide where a little more urgency on the ball would have been nice. By the 60th minute though, our right side looked gassed, and needed a more aggressive change. Gio nor Aaronson got a real dribble going, and Aaronson's pressing would have been really helpful as soon as Grealish came on, as Grealish was staying left more and trying to pin our RB back, which gave Shaw a little room as McKennie was tiring.

A tiny bit of luck with finishing in the first half should have seen us win the game. We really outplayed them, in contrast to 2010, where we were on our heels more. This little lopsided 4-4-2 we are playing, with the LM becoming an auxiliary no. 10 and the RM tucking in to prevent from being overrun in midfield, really was pretty aggressive, and a couple of times Pulisic got in such dangerous positions where a little more thought on the final ball was needed.

It's frustrating because England played directly into our hands, thinking they could out-physical us in midfield, put us on our heels afraid to come press the man on the ball, and then try to get Bellingham on the inside right channel. It nearly worked twice, but thank god they couldn't outrun us either.

When Henderson came on, that really signaled that the English were going for the draw, but despite this, Pulisic still had two more good opportunities on the inside left channel if I recall.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 5:01 pm to
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When Henderson came on, that really signaled that the English were going for the draw


This cannot be stated enough, we forced England to take off it's most in-form player because we gameplanned him out of the match, and they we replaced him with a purely defensive option because we had them on their heels.
Posted by Alyosha
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 5:10 pm to
Yep, credit goes to the players and captain Adams for taking the game into their own hands.
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 5:18 pm to
Team plays poorly:

This is all on the coach.

Team plays well:

This is all on the players.

That’s not how this works, man.
Posted by Alyosha
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 5:22 pm to
Sure thing boss
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 6:54 pm to
Cheers Geoff
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