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re: Gregg is tactically inept
Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:23 pm to cwil177
Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:23 pm to cwil177
Imagine having a real coach in 4 years:
We have 8 front line guys on this team who will be aged 27 or younger in summer 2026. This list doesn’t include Chris Richards, Scally or Pepi.
Pulisic, Reyna, Weah, Aaronson, Adams, McKennie, Musah and Dest. This group is individually talented, and will only get more talented.
We have 8 front line guys on this team who will be aged 27 or younger in summer 2026. This list doesn’t include Chris Richards, Scally or Pepi.
Pulisic, Reyna, Weah, Aaronson, Adams, McKennie, Musah and Dest. This group is individually talented, and will only get more talented.
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:24 pm to OU Guy
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Imagine having a real coach in 4 years:
Who do you want?
Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:25 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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a point today was huge.
With a loss the US would have to beat Iran
With a draw the US has to beat Iran
Other than not having to worry about what Wales does now there was no difference in losing or drawing. Wales isn’t beating England anyways. And definitely not by 2 or more goals which they would have to had the US lost.
Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:28 pm to The Boat
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Other than not having to worry about what Wales does now there was no difference in losing or drawing.
Just like the clock operator in the Cayman Islands, you're late to the party baw.
Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:29 pm to Broski
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Who do you want?
Not an insider, not a friend of a friend. Someone who can get the most out of what should be our best ever WC team. No idea yet but once WC is over we can look into it more. I do know Greg is not it and wasn’t deserving of the job.
Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:30 pm to OU Guy
But specifically, who do you want?
Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:30 pm to Broski
Naw baw I was saying that during the game in the game thread when we should have attacked harder in the 2h since there was no real difference in a draw or a 1-0 loss. Opening yourself up to conceding a goal on a counter didn’t matter.
Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:32 pm to OU Guy
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I do know Greg is not it and wasn’t deserving of the job.
No he was not and it was dumb as frick that we waited a whole damn year just to hire him.
With that said, he has provided more positives to the overall MNT program than negatives.
Posted on 11/26/22 at 12:40 am to Broski
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No he was not and it was dumb as frick that we waited a whole damn year just to hire him. With that said, he has provided more positives to the overall MNT program than negatives.
As much as he pisses me off I think I agree. His recruiting can’t be understated. Imagine where we would be right now without Dest and Musah.
Posted on 11/26/22 at 12:48 am to unctiger4
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Imagine where we would be right now without Dest and Musah.
Yep and the way he's recruiting them is much different than when Jurgen was just handing out caps to everyone with a US passport and then figuring out if they are good for the team later.
Gregg and his staff are ID'ing the talent, making sure that they will fit in with the group on and off the field and doing a really good job of fitting them into the brotherhood. There was an article of ESPN the other day where Musah's brother said that when Musah came back from that first post-COVID camp, he told his family he couldn't imagine playing for any other national team.
That's important.
Posted on 11/26/22 at 8:42 am to StraightCashHomey21
Can someone give me a decent summary of why Gregg's tactics are allergic to scoring (or, often, even attempting to score)?
Follow up: if you could pick any 9 in the world, who would actually work in this system? I just can't picture what he even wants given our striker options he brought to Qatar.
Follow up: if you could pick any 9 in the world, who would actually work in this system? I just can't picture what he even wants given our striker options he brought to Qatar.
Posted on 11/26/22 at 8:44 am to SlowFlowPro
Uh oh, now you’ve done it.
Posted on 11/26/22 at 9:10 am to Alyosha
Naw. Even people who defend Gregg admit that his system doesn't value/scheme scoring.
There are some posters on here with a much better tactical soccer brain than SFP.
There are some posters on here with a much better tactical soccer brain than SFP.
Posted on 11/26/22 at 9:22 am to SlowFlowPro
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There are some posters on here with a much better tactical soccer brain than SFP
If ShinGuardian was happy with his tactics in both matches, I’m not going to contradict that.
I don’t know what went wrong in the second half against Wales, and I know that I think he was playing for an almost meaningless draw in the last twenty or so minutes yesterday.
I am allergic to overly conservative coaching, so that pissed me off, and I default to thinking he did it for perception purposes as opposed to what’s best for chances of advancing, since he had to know the situation as well as all of us.
But I was happy to read the quotes from shinGuardian. Gives me hope going forward, but damn this idea of not playing best players because of personal bullshite, if that’s going on.
Posted on 11/26/22 at 9:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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Naw. Even people who defend Gregg admit that his system doesn't value/scheme scoring.
Guilty
Posted on 11/26/22 at 9:30 am to Earnest_P
Can you link the shinguardian article?
Posted on 11/26/22 at 9:35 am to cwil177
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Team plays poorly: This is all on the coach. Team plays well: This is all on the players. That’s not how this works, man.
It’s funny. I think the first two matches results are kind of a catch 22 for both Gregg’s defenders and detractors.
The players are more talented than ever, but we can’t score because Gregg sucks.
But if the players are so talented, they’d find a way to score, given how many chances we had, in Gregg’s system.
ShinGuardians comments I saw were just tweets, not an article, and I saw them on this board somewhere.
Posted on 11/26/22 at 9:49 am to Earnest_P
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But if the players are so talented, they’d find a way to score
My hot take is CP has been very meh this tournament
He keeps trying to make big plays instead of smart plays, but I do have to wonder how much of that is him knowing the system basically requires him to be a Superman to score
Posted on 11/26/22 at 10:36 am to The Boat
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Naw baw I was saying that during the game in the game thread when we should have attacked harder in the 2h since there was no real difference in a draw or a 1-0 loss. Opening yourself up to conceding a goal on a counter didn’t matter
Draw could mean something as far as instilling confidence. The way the midfield played today, not losing can at least tell them "We can do this against the best in the world and get a result"
Posted on 11/26/22 at 11:03 am to Earnest_P
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It’s funny. I think the first two matches results are kind of a catch 22 for both Gregg’s defenders and detractors. The players are more talented than ever, but we can’t score because Gregg sucks. But if the players are so talented, they’d find a way to score, given how many chances we had, in Gregg’s system.
I’ll bite on some of it but there is way more.
How many times did we have them in the run backwards and the ball goes out wide only to have our player not give service? Instead they played it back allowing defense to get caught up. If we put more in box at the scramble time the box is less crowded and would provide more chances to score. And if we do that more consistently the defense has to start cheating back which gives us more possession overall.
Set pieces are a disaster and thats coaches tactics. Yesterday Puli kicked great corners but no one was home. Other games his corners aren’t great. Need another kicker allowing Puli to roam around the box and pick up scraps.
Subs are a disaster. As a coach you know it can take time to get your sub in and his slowness cost us chances. Our players are not as fit as needed and coach wasted so much of second half with tired players. Then did 2, and not ones you’d expect. Then late in game 2 more. Way too late and we had them on the ropes as well, they got tired as well. He threw up the white flag.
Those are just some of the issues. So many more.
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