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re: OK Gregggggg Apologists

Posted on 12/3/22 at 9:45 pm to
Posted by Alyosha
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 12/3/22 at 9:45 pm to
I don’t think that’s a measured idea, but could we have done better? Yes. Gregg was known and fired for not producing an offensive attack.

In the end, we knew what we got in Greggg, and 2 ½ goals in 4 games is not enough “The way the world thinks about American soccer” is in the formal philosophical category of Who Gives A Shite. Respect is earned by winning, not what type of shoes you wear.
Posted by lsugorilla
PNW
Member since Sep 2009
5813 posts
Posted on 12/3/22 at 10:03 pm to
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I think all of America needs to experience Jose Mourinho.


Yes
Posted by WaltTeevens
Santa Barbara, CA
Member since Dec 2013
11148 posts
Posted on 12/3/22 at 10:21 pm to
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I don’t think that’s a measured idea, but could we have done better? Yes. Gregg was known and fired for not producing an offensive attack.

In the end, we knew what we got in Greggg, and 2 ½ goals in 4 games is not enough “The way the world thinks about American soccer” is in the formal philosophical category of Who Gives A Shite. Respect is earned by winning, not what type of shoes you wear.


When have we had the majority of possession against a top-10 country in the World Cup before? Yeah, it didn't work out today, but all I remember of us playing top European squads in previous WCs is us watching the other side kick it around and pray we got lucky on a counter attack.

We don't have it in the final third yet, but at least we can go forward against top teams now.
Posted by Alyosha
Member since Nov 2020
7654 posts
Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:07 pm to
Not impressed by possession. We got smoked 3-accidental 1.
This post was edited on 12/3/22 at 11:09 pm
Posted by WaltTeevens
Santa Barbara, CA
Member since Dec 2013
11148 posts
Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:21 pm to
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Not impressed by possession. We got smoked 3-accidental


If you can't see the difference between progress and perfection, then I guess we just won't see eye to eye.

I know you're a newish poster, so I'll assume you weren't here in 2018. You want to talk about not being impressed? How about talking about friendlies while Panama is getting ready to play in the World Cup.

We always knew this was going to be a test run leading up to 2026. We were the youngest team in the WC besides Ghana (even with a 35 year old CB, who played pretty damn well) We got out of the group, more than held our own against England, and made some gaffes against the Netherlands.

Uruguay didn't reach the knockouts. Germany didn't reach the knockouts. Denmark got pushed out. We did fine. Stop acting like this was a failure.
Posted by saderade
America's City
Member since Jul 2005
25877 posts
Posted on 12/4/22 at 12:04 am to
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If you can't see the difference between progress and perfection, then I guess we just won't see eye to eye. We always knew this was going to be a test run leading up to 2026. We were the youngest team in the WC besides Ghana (even with a 35 year old CB, who played pretty damn well) We got out of the group, more than held our own against England, and made some gaffes against the Netherlands. Uruguay didn't reach the knockouts. Germany didn't reach the knockouts. Denmark got pushed out. We did fine. Stop acting like this was a failure
Damn straight. This is the first time in my life the US went toe to toe with 2 top 10 European teams and more than held their own. The future is bright.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
74605 posts
Posted on 12/4/22 at 2:52 am to
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but could we have done better? Yes


It seems very convenient to say he could’ve done better when, in the lead up to the tournament, you were the loudest one on here saying we finish last in the group.

Just seems like you wanted/expected to be disappointed no matter what with Gregg. If that’s the case, why willingly put yourself through the agony of watching?



Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
28975 posts
Posted on 12/4/22 at 5:43 am to
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Damn straight. This is the first time in my life the US went toe to toe with 2 top 10 European teams and more than held their own. The future is bright.

People here act like we’ve made no progress and it’s frankly astounding.
Posted by Alyosha
Member since Nov 2020
7654 posts
Posted on 12/4/22 at 6:27 am to
Just because one person identifies amateurism earlier than others, calls it out and if there’s progress, it doesn’t mean he deserves a pat on the back. We’re not just assessing Gregg’s personal performance; we’re assessing was the team used to its optimal potential.

My feeling is, getting out of group stage was beyond Gregg’s ceiling, but not team’s potential. That’s why there is an internal conflict in wanting to celebrate the team’s proposed success.

1w-2d-1l (scoring 2 ½ goals, allowing 4) with the best talented USMNT.
This post was edited on 12/4/22 at 10:47 am
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
74605 posts
Posted on 12/4/22 at 10:01 am to
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Just because one person identifies amateurism earlier than others


I know man, Busio should've been starting at RW
Posted by Alyosha
Member since Nov 2020
7654 posts
Posted on 12/4/22 at 10:15 am to
Haha…no that wouldn’t have worked because he’s clearly not a “vibes” guy.

Although now that you mention it, he probably would have played as equally effective out of position, than JF, Morris, and Moore who played in their natural position.
This post was edited on 12/4/22 at 10:35 am
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
74605 posts
Posted on 12/4/22 at 10:17 am to
I think Morris would've been a better 6 than Busio playing his natural position as a 6. But that's just me ID'ing his amateurism before you I guess.

Always a step ahead.
Posted by Alyosha
Member since Nov 2020
7654 posts
Posted on 12/4/22 at 10:19 am to
Maybe right. Morris has that speed and power.
Posted by Alyosha
Member since Nov 2020
7654 posts
Posted on 12/4/22 at 3:34 pm to
Several questions/thoughts on the roster and lineups I’ll be pondering over the next few days.

Would have liked to seen Scally and LDLT play.
Aaronson and Gio never started right?
Gio’s total minutes?
Ferreira totaled 45 minutes?
Haji played only 3 caps with the USMNT before the WC?
Shaq total minutes?
Morris total minutes?
Acosta total minutes?

Why can our strikers score for their clubs but not in Greggggs system?
What was the purpose of starting Ferreira in the NL match?
Would Pefok have been more or less effective at certain moments of our 4 games?
This post was edited on 12/4/22 at 4:37 pm
Posted by RandySavage
Member since May 2012
31635 posts
Posted on 12/4/22 at 3:54 pm to
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I think all of America needs to experience Jose Mourinho.


This is the only way.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
4628 posts
Posted on 12/4/22 at 4:08 pm to
If we are being honest we went as far as we should have in this tournament. We are in the 10-20 best national teams in the world.

But we simply aren’t in the upper crust. Projecting results a little the final 8 of this World Cup is going to include Argentina, Netherlands, England, France, Brazil, Spain.

There isn’t a coach in the world that puts us into that group. We need more more depth, player experience and a striker before stepping into the next rung.

I’m not sure if Gregg is the right guy for the next cycle, but the player pool is the current limiting factoring on going further.
Posted by Alyosha
Member since Nov 2020
7654 posts
Posted on 12/4/22 at 4:26 pm to
The mission was “we want to change the way the world thinks about American soccer”.

The collective international soccer pundits keep using the word “naive” when assessing our performance. That’s pretty much the same word that has been used when assessing Americans in general.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
4628 posts
Posted on 12/4/22 at 4:38 pm to
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The collective international soccer pundits keep using the word “naive” when assessing our performance. That’s pretty much the same word that has been used when assessing Americans in general.


Ok. Sounds like international soccer pundits finding confirmation bias of prejudices from a soccer game.

The mission is to win. We can’t win more than we currently are until our players are better. We can win concacaf. We can win against the bottom half of world cups teams. We can’t win against the upper crust until the players are better.

The game against the Netherlands is a bit like seeing what would happen if the best college team played the worst pro team in a sport. The pro team wins every time because they have 11 pros while the college team is at best playing with 6 or 7.

Van Gaal is no doubt a better coach than Gregg. Switching Van Gaal for Gregg isn’t changing the outcome of this game. Swapping Depay for MLS Jesus is what closes the gap.

We have maybe 8-10 world class players in the player pool. We need 20 before the coach really makes a difference in terms of going farther.
Posted by Alyosha
Member since Nov 2020
7654 posts
Posted on 12/4/22 at 4:47 pm to
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Switching Van Gaal for Gregg isn’t changing the outcome of this game.


Hmm…that’s an interesting thought experiment, if you mean swapping them?
This post was edited on 12/4/22 at 4:48 pm
Posted by Earnest_P
Member since Aug 2021
3880 posts
Posted on 12/4/22 at 5:21 pm to
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People here act like we’ve made no progress and it’s frankly astounding.


What was the cause of the progress? Gregg instilled a style of play that provided lots of possession and few goals. With better players, one would expect that possession to lead to goals. But where are we going to get those better players?
We may still be a generation too soon for the style Gregg wants to play.
This post was edited on 12/4/22 at 5:22 pm
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