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re: This isn’t what everyone wants to hear, but the quality for the USA just isn’t there
Posted on 6/28/24 at 11:54 am to lsugorilla
Posted on 6/28/24 at 11:54 am to lsugorilla
Yes, Panama has nearly zero talent. Losing to them is indefensible and unacceptable. We simply aren’t mature enough or tough enough to handle the physical approach they take to the game to overcome their talent deficiency.
We should beat a team like Panama by multiple goals every time we play them. We rarely do. It’s infuriating.
We should beat a team like Panama by multiple goals every time we play them. We rarely do. It’s infuriating.
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Posted on 6/28/24 at 11:56 am to Shamoan
Talent level is better that the level of the coaching staff.
Posted on 6/28/24 at 12:16 pm to MetArl15
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We simply aren’t mature
Agree.
Posted on 6/28/24 at 12:16 pm to WhoDatNC
The potential is there, but the culture of vibes/USSF doesn’t allow it. Much rather have a team of mature professionals with fire in their belly freedom of play to win, than the all in togetherness.
Posted on 6/28/24 at 1:13 pm to cwil177
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In his post match presser Gregg talked about how the team had discussed this referee specifically and how they could expect poor calls, in addition to rough play from Panama. It’s not like the team approached this game naively because of GGG. They have enough experience in concacaf to know better, they had an extra warning from the coach before the game, and then Weah forces us to play a man down for ~85 minutes. Say what you will about this generation’s talent, but they don’t have the chip on their shoulders and bite that the LD/CD generation did.
Fair enough, I didn’t watch post-match coverage because I had my kids.
I still take issue with tactics post-red, as well as agreeing with some other posters here that there is a certain level of immaturity and (my words) selfishness among this team.
It was selfish of Dest to do what he did against Jamaica, it was selfish of Timo to do what he did against Panama. Herc Gomez isn’t one I like that much, but he said it best… not just Timo, but the whole team should have learned from what Dest did against Jamaica. Why is the past repeating itself with a major Cup at stake?
Maybe the players all like the coach but don’t respect him? Maybe the players are just immature? Who knows?
I hate to say it, but I want us to get blown out against Uruguay so that we can maybe get a jump on figuring out whether it is the players or the coach, or some combination of both.
Is Jose Mourinho available?
Posted on 6/28/24 at 1:39 pm to Alyosha
The top down message for US soccer was this was a stepping stone to "Changing the way the US views soccer." Well they just did barring a signature win we are going home after the group stage in the tournament we hosted. The changing the way US views soccer is giving us a giant buzz kill.
Well GGG can't help what the players did on the field. Well we can't get better players so the simple solution is get a coach that get more out of the players and be better than the sum of our parts. We have never done that under Gregg.
Well GGG can't help what the players did on the field. Well we can't get better players so the simple solution is get a coach that get more out of the players and be better than the sum of our parts. We have never done that under Gregg.
Posted on 6/28/24 at 1:45 pm to NewbombII
Yeah, we’re definitely hamstrung from the top down. The concern for image over winning takes precedence more than anything and now this new found identity lacks teeth.
It’s sad to see really
It’s sad to see really
Posted on 6/28/24 at 2:35 pm to DByrd2
DByrd we were told the reason Gregg was brought back was that the players wanted him. If the players don't play for him then we need someone who will get them to play. Players should not get to choose the manager.
Posted on 6/28/24 at 2:43 pm to NewbombII
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DByrd we were told the reason Gregg was brought back was that the players wanted him. If the players don't play for him then we need someone who will get them to play. Players should not get to choose the manager.
Couldn’t possibly agree more. Growing up, if you respected your coach but didn’t like him you were probably winning a lot of games. If you liked him but didn’t respect him, you got your arse kicked when it mattered.
Posted on 6/28/24 at 3:57 pm to lionward2014
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we absolutely have the quality to expect to easily qualify out of a group with Bolivia and Panama.
And we do if Weah doesn’t pull that bullshite
Posted on 6/28/24 at 4:07 pm to UnluckyTiger
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I’d probably put the roster right there with Uruguay
The only player on our team who would be in the starting 11 for Uruguay is Pulisic. I don’t see how you can possibly put our roster on par with theirs. He is legitimately our only star player.
Who do we have who would start every game for Barca or Madrid, lead the line for Liverpool, or get minutes at PSG? Our best players aside from Pulisic are a bench warmer at Dortmund who hasn’t done anything the past two club seasons and a defensive mid who is chronically injured and on minutes restrictions. Our other best winger rides the pine for Juve and only plays RB for them anyway. Our best CB is 36. No objective outside observer would look at the two teams and call them equal. But our fan base has this delusion that we are at that level, for some reason. I don’t get it.
Posted on 6/28/24 at 4:16 pm to cwil177
Think about it. We had a lead down 10. We had a tie at half. We were playing even till half. Then Gregg decided to go 5 in the back and go into a shell for 45 minutes. Tactically you can defend for 45 or you can try to make them play honest if they concede after half the are have no chance of going through. Their keeper played most of the second half outside his own 18. Gregg did the exact same thing against Iran and got lucky.
This post was edited on 6/28/24 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 6/28/24 at 4:25 pm to NewbombII
I challenge you to find another match in copa history where a team went down a man 15 minutes in and won or even tied the game. Idk if 5 at the back was the right call, especially because it meant bringing in CCV who was bad, but Panama’s best chances in the first half came from crosses and the formation change/added CB was meant to combat that. CCV lost his mark in the box on that goal. We created more chances in the second half than we did in the first after going down a man. We also generated more good goal scoring chances than Panama across the game. LINK
ETA: I do think we should have bunkered hard after our goal to at least get to the half with a lead. Disappointed with how quickly we let Panama respond.
ETA: I do think we should have bunkered hard after our goal to at least get to the half with a lead. Disappointed with how quickly we let Panama respond.
This post was edited on 6/28/24 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 6/28/24 at 5:34 pm to cwil177
I don't care how many more chances we created we had to defend more in the second half. Your the stat guy give me one for possession % first half vs second half.
Posted on 6/28/24 at 5:42 pm to DByrd2
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I am in the camp that we should stick with an XI that starts,
You need rotation. Not only to keep guys fresh, but also you need your starters to be pushed.
We don't have that happening anywhere right now, besides Musah and Johnny pushing Adams and maybe at the 9.
Posted on 6/28/24 at 7:27 pm to NewbombII
quote:remember when the players carried Miles off the field after the A&M win and said how much they wanted him to stay? We saw how that worked out.
DByrd we were told the reason Gregg was brought back was that the players wanted him. If the players don't play for him then we need someone who will get them to play. Players should not get to choose the manager.
Posted on 6/28/24 at 7:36 pm to UnluckyTiger
We can’t scrape together 11 guys that play consistently, as in a regular starter over the course of a full season, in one of the top 5 European leagues.
Our best players largely see inconsistent play.
The players aren’t that good, and they currently play worse as a unit than the sum of the individual parts.
This is also the longest stretch of uninspiring play I recall from them. Team just doesn’t have it.
Our best players largely see inconsistent play.
The players aren’t that good, and they currently play worse as a unit than the sum of the individual parts.
This is also the longest stretch of uninspiring play I recall from them. Team just doesn’t have it.
Posted on 6/28/24 at 7:41 pm to ned nederlander
And we are still heavily dependent on guys that play for us for exactly two reasons:
1. They aren’t good enough to play for their home country, and
2. They have a US passport.
Pulisic, Adams, Weston, and Ream are the only guys in this current group truly of America that have been able to truly stick as starters in top euro leagues.
1. They aren’t good enough to play for their home country, and
2. They have a US passport.
Pulisic, Adams, Weston, and Ream are the only guys in this current group truly of America that have been able to truly stick as starters in top euro leagues.
Posted on 6/28/24 at 8:05 pm to ned nederlander
This is correct. We don’t develop enough elite talent.
Posted on 6/28/24 at 8:06 pm to MetArl15
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We don’t develop enough elite talent.
I mean, no matter who the coach was, this was never going to happen this quickly.
The MLS youth academies are not even 10 years old.
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