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Points Redemption - AMEX Platinum vs AMEX Delta

Posted on 4/14/25 at 12:57 pm
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
19492 posts
Posted on 4/14/25 at 12:57 pm
Reading the points redemption thread and feeling like I am not understanding this game at all.

I have the AMEX Delta Platinum card and racked up almost 270,000 miles last year. Blew all of that on a ticket to Italy. The value isn't great it seems like.

Am I better off changing to an AMEX Platinum and dropping the Delta card? It doesn't help that the Delta card no longer gets me in the Delta lounge whereas the unbranded Platinum card still does.

Can anyone opine on this?
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
147998 posts
Posted on 4/14/25 at 1:01 pm to
Amex points are a lot more valuable than delta points because you are not locked into only using Delta which has devalued their system to a hilarious degree

With Amex points, you can use your points across other partners and get better value for the same flights than you can through Delta

That doesn't make it "better" as the companion passes and status you get with the Delta card could be very valuable to the right person. But from a pure point value standpoint, you are in a much better place having Amex points than Delta points

One thing to remember about Amex though is their life time and card family language in their welcome offers
This post was edited on 4/14/25 at 1:03 pm
Posted by H2O Tiger
Delta Sky Club
Member since May 2021
6796 posts
Posted on 4/14/25 at 1:18 pm to
Amex Membership rewards points are much more valuable than Delta Sky Miles, especially if you utilize the transfer portal.

270,000 Membership Rewards points should easily get you two roundtrip tickets between the US and Europe in Business Class with miles left over.

Keep in mind that the Amex Platinum card limits Delta Sky Club access unless you spend $75,000 annually on the card. If you only fly a few times a year the limit shouldn't be an issue for you. The AmEx Platinum also gives you access to American Express and Priority Pass lounges.

One item of note is that the AmEx Platinum has a high annual fee ($695) and each additional authorized user is another ($195).

If you don't care about the lounge access my favorite Amex is the Amex Gold card. 4x points on dining and supermarkets and you still get access to points transfers.

If you have Chase cards, the Chase Sapphire Preferred card currently has a 100k point sign-up bonus and Chase Ultimate Rewards can also be transferred to multiple carriers.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
9913 posts
Posted on 4/14/25 at 1:25 pm to
quote:

much better place having Amex points than Delta points

In full agreement here. Especially if OP lives in a hub (ATL, CVG, etc.) redemptions on the primary hub airline/alliance will be usurious compared to having the option to fly on *A from the same airport.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
147998 posts
Posted on 4/14/25 at 1:43 pm to
My one advice for the OP is to be weary of just walking into the platinum card

It's built for status and perks, not for every day spend. Unless you travel enough to where you think you could get hundreds of dollars in value out of hotel status and airport lounges, I would think twice before committing since it only gets you 1x on spend outside of flight bookings. The perks are great. I got the 175k SUB for my trip to the middle east and I got to leverage the incidental airline fee for free checked bags and an exit row seat for our trip to Mexico next month. I'm looking forward to my first trip to an airport lounge on said trip to Mexico. I like the stufd the FHR booking is getting me in Istanbul. But I am getting rid of it as soon as possible next year cause I can't justify the cost with the benefits

Plus you would miss out on the Gold bonus due to the family card language. And the Gold is much more practical anyway. Find the 100k Gold offer, get that, and look for the 175k Platinum offer and then drop the platinum after a year. That seems to be the best play with Amex
This post was edited on 4/14/25 at 1:48 pm
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
37457 posts
Posted on 4/14/25 at 1:55 pm to
The Platinum card is great for a business owner that can dump a bunch of spend on it yearly. It also has a ton of perks and if the perks are used the high annual fee can be offset.

One thing a lot of people overlook is that Amex Plat and the Chase Sapphiire and higher hotel program offers much better redemptions than hotel branded cards and a myriad more choices on hotels. It's not the best use of points compared to business class across the ocean but they give versatility in choosing hotels that is unmatched.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
147998 posts
Posted on 4/14/25 at 2:19 pm to
Absolutely. It's a very powerful card for the business owner/traveler who regularly fly and can stay at Marriotts or Hiltons on the regular basis

You make up for the lack in earning multipliers easily from the status and perks

But for everyone else, it's really just a SUB churner of a card. If you are a person the card is built for. It's probably the best card out there and is incredibly powerful. If you aren't, I'd question the cost
This post was edited on 4/14/25 at 2:21 pm
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
19492 posts
Posted on 4/14/25 at 2:26 pm to
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Absolutely. It's a very powerful card for the business owner/traveler who regularly fly and can stay at Marriotts or Hiltons on the regular basis

You make up for the lack in earning multipliers easily from the status and perks

But for everyone else, it's really just a SUB churner of a card. If you are a person the card is built for. It's probably the best card out there and is incredibly powerful. If you aren't, I'd question the cost


Which care are you referring to?

And I should have been more specific in the OP. I am a frequent business traveler and fly Delta, stay Marriott 90% of the time. Flying out of MSY to domestic locations 18-20+ times a year and internationally 4 or 5. But I only use the AMEX for travel. I don't charge groceries, gas, etc on it when I am home. Does that make a difference?
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
147998 posts
Posted on 4/14/25 at 2:39 pm to
The platinum. Here is a list of the credits and see what applies to you. Think for you it's going to come down to how much you value the lounge access. I would assume you would get enough free visits to offset the costs. You seem to travel enough to where the card makes sense but again, really up to you on if you'll get enough value to offset $700 every year. This list doesn't have lounge access but you'll get free centurion lounge whenever and Delta lounges when you fly delta

quote:

Complimentary hotel elite status at select hotel brands, such as Hilton Honors™, and Marriott, Gold status (enrollment required).
Select one qualifying airline and then receive up to $200 in statement credits that calendar year when incidental fees are charged by that airline to your Platinum Account.
Up to $200 in statement credits each year for prepaid American Express Fine Hotels + Resorts® (FHR) or The Hotel Collection bookings through American Express Travel™ when you pay with the Platinum Card (minimum two-night stay required for The Hotel Collection).
Up to $200 in Uber Cash annually ($15 per month plus a $20 bonus in December) valid for rides with Uber and orders with Uber Eats in the U.S. when the Platinum Card is added to your Uber account.
Up to $240 in Digital Entertainment Credit — up to $20 in statement credits each month — after you pay for eligible purchases with the Platinum Card at participating partners (enrollment required).
This post was edited on 4/14/25 at 2:42 pm
Posted by NOLALGD
Member since May 2014
2520 posts
Posted on 4/14/25 at 3:39 pm to
True, that its not a great value daily points card. And to be honest I'm thinking of cancelling after many years. But.....

I disagree its only good for people who travel all the time or use it for business. The fee sucks and they raised it and the hotel credit can be pain to use.

But I use the digital entertainment credit and the Uber credit, plus you left out the $199 clear statement credit. And since I no longer have Delta status, but fly it occasionally, I will use all of the $200 statement credit, even if it means paying for a stranger to go in the lounge with me on one of my included visits.

So that is $200 + 240 + 200 (clear) = $640 before the airline credit and hotel credit.
Posted by CharlieTiger
ATL
Member since Jun 2014
919 posts
Posted on 4/14/25 at 4:02 pm to
My wife and I switched from Gold to Platinum a few years ago. We both fly a decent bit for work, so the lounge access is nice to have, especially with more Amex lounges starting to pop up. We usually spend enough that we'll have unlimited Delta lounge access, but even if we don't, we can split it between limited Delta access and Amex access. We live in Atlanta and fly Delta pretty much exclusively, so the Amex partnership makes sense. Thought about the Delta Amex, but we like having the flexibility to use points for other things if we want.

We take advantage of enough benefits that it offsets the fees every year. I'm not sweating it if even we miss by $50 or $100, but with the Uber credit, airline credit, hotel credit, digital entertainment credit, clear credit, you're easily at $700+.

The hotel credits are great. We took a spring break trip to Utah last year(Zion and Bryce NP's) and flew in/out of Las Vegas. We got $100 food credit at the Venetian on the front end and $100 spa credit at the Wynn on the backend. Early check ins and late check outs. Upgrades at both locations. Not saying you can't talk your way into that in a place like Vegas without the card, but it makes those things much easier.

There are other things like Gold/Presidents club at Hertz, Gold status at Hilton/Mariott that are nice to have when traveling for work or personal. We don't travel enough for work to have great status with hotels or airlines, so these things come in handy.
Posted by H2O Tiger
Delta Sky Club
Member since May 2021
6796 posts
Posted on 4/14/25 at 7:11 pm to
Why would you not keep the Gold and also get a Plat?

Likely missed out on a welcome bonus and the Plat is a horrible daily driver. If you're spending enough to hit the waiver there's likely a lit you can also put on a gold. This is coming from a guy who's hit the spend every year it's been in place.
Posted by CharlieTiger
ATL
Member since Jun 2014
919 posts
Posted on 4/15/25 at 10:51 am to
quote:

Why would you not keep the Gold and also get a Plat?

Likely missed out on a welcome bonus and the Plat is a horrible daily driver. If you're spending enough to hit the waiver there's likely a lit you can also put on a gold.


We thought about it, but the Gold perks are not great, imo. They have some things like restaurant credits, but they're very limited where you can use them. The annual fee also went up to $325 last year. They compensated by an $84 annual Dunkin' credit, but I could not tell you the last time I've been to a Dunkin. We also already had a gold so would not have gotten any welcome bonus. We did get a big one for platinum. 100k points plus additional points for the first 6 months spend. I think we ended up with about 150k points. Bought two of our four tickets to Italy with that.

The biggest points for gold come from groceries and restaurants. Our main grocery store is a huge "farmers market" about a mile away from us that doesn't take credit cards(only debit). We buy probably 85% of our food there. We also subscribe to a CSA with weekly deliveries from end of April through about Thanksgiving every year. We don't eat out all that much and often cook at home. We also have younger kids so going out to eat can be tedious and now just about twice the cost with them. So, the two biggest reasons to have the card from a points perspective minimally come into play for us. We could definitely get more points from the gold, but I just don't know that they'd outweigh the additional fees of both of us having a gold card.

I also really don't like having more than 2 CC's. We have the Amex and a Visa in case we can't use the Amex. We use that for things like paying for kids afterschool, the kids rec baseball fees, etc. Visa is used more internationally if we're traveling too.
Posted by NOLALGD
Member since May 2014
2520 posts
Posted on 4/15/25 at 11:09 am to
quote:

I also really don't like having more than 2 CC's. We have the Amex and a Visa in case we can't use the Amex.


This is a valid concern, but also very limiting if you want to take full advantage of credit card points. Unless someone is using CCs for large business expenses or traveling a ton, the best way to earn points is to get new cards when large bonuses hit, as you did, manage your older cards, and strategically cancel cards when needed.

The main thing I do is set auto-pay statement balance on every card. I still review statements, but I'm not worried about missing a payment and pay no interest. Last, I'm not sure how people did this before digital wallets and auto spend alerts.
Posted by CharlieTiger
ATL
Member since Jun 2014
919 posts
Posted on 4/15/25 at 3:05 pm to
quote:

This is a valid concern, but also very limiting if you want to take full advantage of credit card points. Unless someone is using CCs for large business expenses or traveling a ton, the best way to earn points is to get new cards when large bonuses hit, as you did, manage your older cards, and strategically cancel cards when needed.


I get that, but I just don't have the time or patience to play the points game.
Posted by H2O Tiger
Delta Sky Club
Member since May 2021
6796 posts
Posted on 4/15/25 at 5:05 pm to
The points game is rapidly dying as airlines continue to eliminate award charts in favor of dynamic pricing.
Posted by tilco
Spanish Fort, AL
Member since Nov 2013
13996 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 3:22 pm to
If you travel and take advantage of the coupons the Amex platinum will pay for itself in no time. We have a business and put most everything on a Hyatt, Amex Platinum, or AA citi card. Vacations are mostly free these days.
Posted by TakeAGander
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
571 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 9:49 pm to
I use the Amex business platinum for work and the Amex gold for personal. I also have the Amex platinum for personal travel. We take advantage of the perks that offset the fees.

Consider the Cap 1 ventire, venture x and the Amex business plus. The business plus is O% interest for the first year, and 2x points.

I take advantage of the points to pay for multiple family vacations and trips for employees.
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