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re: Planted summer plots today
Posted on 6/8/23 at 5:57 pm to Da Hammer
Posted on 6/8/23 at 5:57 pm to Da Hammer
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Seems like they would be moving in this direction if it works that well wouldn’t they?
I believe they will. It is used in the Midwest and North right now. It is used to terminate “cover crops” not harvest a crop. A crimper won’t kill every plant and the ones it does kill has to be done at the right time. I believe you will see a big increase in the next 20 years. It is also used a lot by organic farmers.
The crimper I am looking at is built by a company that makes agricultural equipment. They make them up to 60’ wide.
I believe the government is going to give enough subsidies to farmers to help them start switching over. We may lose some yield/acre averages for a while, but input costs will decrease.
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Posted on 6/8/23 at 6:56 pm to Outdoorreb
It’s better for the soil and there’s a big push for soil conservation included in the Farm Bill I believe
Posted on 6/8/23 at 9:01 pm to The Levee
Crimping breaks the foilage which stops the biological flow in the plant. Herbicide would then not be absorbed into the plant and down to the roots.
You definitely spray the herbicide them crimp. Honestly, a good crimper removes the need for herbicide.
I’m a landscape contractor, so the one thing I understand is that a good mulch layer helps to retain moisture. A crimper breaks the growth and lays it down to protect the soil. When the mulch decomposes and restores the nutrients to the soil, it gets richer and microbes improve!
You definitely spray the herbicide them crimp. Honestly, a good crimper removes the need for herbicide.
I’m a landscape contractor, so the one thing I understand is that a good mulch layer helps to retain moisture. A crimper breaks the growth and lays it down to protect the soil. When the mulch decomposes and restores the nutrients to the soil, it gets richer and microbes improve!
Posted on 6/8/23 at 9:23 pm to Outdoorreb
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200 acres to plant
I’m still in awe of this. What county?
Posted on 6/8/23 at 10:13 pm to turkish
I've got a small pull behind buffalo
May drill some peas mixed with sunflower and try crimping with that buffalo this weekend
May drill some peas mixed with sunflower and try crimping with that buffalo this weekend
Posted on 6/9/23 at 5:03 am to 76Forest
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Then read “Dirt to Soil” by Gabe Brown, I was hooked.
I met Gabe and Dr. Allen Williams at one of their Understanding Ag classes in Alabama last year. I'll say this, it works.
It was either Jason Roundtree or Richard Teague that found by adding livestock and moving the daily with temp hot wire added the same amount of organic matter (manure) to the soil as 20 years of conventional set-stock methods.
Keeping the soil covered in the South is extremely important. During March/April as the temp starts to rise, uncovered soil temps rise too. While at BDA in Alabama it was roughly 90 outside, I stuck my hand under the laid down grass and grass matt created by the cattle, the top of the soil was cool and moist - 73 degrees - as I hit it with the IR thermometer. If the soil is allowed to remain uncovered, all those microorganisms will die off in the heat. The grass provides the barrier.
We went for the livestock portion but there are guys that run cropland, integrated livestock and no-till practices, while increasing yields. Its fairly nuts.
This regen management is now a passion of ours. We are slowly implementing it on our place.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 6:45 am to Junky
What you are saying makes a LOT of sense to me here.
My partner in my place has been wanting a crimper for a while and we have resisted you all are gonna cost me more money before long
Already ordered the dirt to soil book. Have begun researching all of this shite.
Converting 120 acres of food plots to this will be interesting over the coming years IF we try to do so. I'm thinking next spring we will try it with a few and of course spraying and then planting with a drill to nock it all down should give a somewhat similar result this year maybe... time will tell
My partner in my place has been wanting a crimper for a while and we have resisted you all are gonna cost me more money before long
Already ordered the dirt to soil book. Have begun researching all of this shite.
Converting 120 acres of food plots to this will be interesting over the coming years IF we try to do so. I'm thinking next spring we will try it with a few and of course spraying and then planting with a drill to nock it all down should give a somewhat similar result this year maybe... time will tell
Posted on 6/9/23 at 6:57 am to Da Hammer
Hammer, when you start your trial plots, remember Gabe Brown’s suggestion that you commit to a 5 year experiment. There’s too much variability in weather, and trial and error in your methods to give up after a year or two. Speaking from experience here.
Wish I could incorporate livestock on my place, but that’s a bridge too far right now. Maybe someday.
Wish I could incorporate livestock on my place, but that’s a bridge too far right now. Maybe someday.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 7:23 am to 76Forest
Update from my two summer plots
No rain since planting Saturday. Not even a drop. I may be screwed here
No rain since planting Saturday. Not even a drop. I may be screwed here
Posted on 6/10/23 at 9:08 pm to 76Forest
BDA was grading 85% choice/prime on steers/culls on grass fed/finished in 24 months (I believe). I think they run a south poll cross. They had let a custom grazer run some of their opens off farm and they ended up with a charolais bull 
. They weren't keeping those specific cows, just getting them to finish out.
I made a mistake - Soil Health Academy is what we attended. Understanding Ag is the consultant company.
. They weren't keeping those specific cows, just getting them to finish out. I made a mistake - Soil Health Academy is what we attended. Understanding Ag is the consultant company.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 9:36 pm to Da Hammer
I found a place in Tennessee that sells a crimper to pull behind a SXS. I got a quote last year for about $2500. Money ran a little tight at the end of the year. I’m hoping to purchase one this year.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 2:24 am to Junky
Understanding Ag is who I am going to use. I sent the contract in the other day. I talked to Gabe and he seemed like a great guy. He won’t be my consultant, there is a guy closer and is based out of Mississippi.
If you have seen their consulting fees and thought they were high, don’t look at Drop-Tine Seed’s consulting fees lol.
Looks like the drill I want won’t get here in time for this fall, so I’ll have to use my old Great Plains 1006NT. It would start raining when I need to pull soil samples, but I will definitely take the rain.
If you have seen their consulting fees and thought they were high, don’t look at Drop-Tine Seed’s consulting fees lol.
Looks like the drill I want won’t get here in time for this fall, so I’ll have to use my old Great Plains 1006NT. It would start raining when I need to pull soil samples, but I will definitely take the rain.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:40 am to Outdoorreb
Please do
Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:51 am to Outdoorreb
I have their fee sheet. I may bring them in if we are 5-6 years in and not seeing results. We aren’t close to that yet. I’m happy to see others jumping in.
We did the Haney soil test (and the bacteria one as well) and our organic matter came back at 7%. I highly doubt that and accused my mother-in-law of digging all the cow patties up and putting those in the box. There is no way our organic matter is 7%
We did the Haney soil test (and the bacteria one as well) and our organic matter came back at 7%. I highly doubt that and accused my mother-in-law of digging all the cow patties up and putting those in the box. There is no way our organic matter is 7%
Posted on 6/11/23 at 4:31 pm to The Levee
Day 8 after planting and it has not rained a drop. Even though it was forecasted to rain every day including the day we planted.
It’s rained everywhere else in the county.
Absolute disaster
It’s rained everywhere else in the county.
Absolute disaster
Posted on 6/11/23 at 5:12 pm to The Levee
What was in that mixture you planted?
Did you plant in any moisture?
If you didn’t plant in any moisture and you get enough rain when you do get one it should be fine. Fertilizer is probably gone though and your pre if you put one out.
I have seen peas come up from moisture rising at night. That might not be the case with you since you disked the week before.
Probably just sitting in dry dirt. If that is the case, then no rain is better than a 1/4” rain.
Did you plant in any moisture?
If you didn’t plant in any moisture and you get enough rain when you do get one it should be fine. Fertilizer is probably gone though and your pre if you put one out.
I have seen peas come up from moisture rising at night. That might not be the case with you since you disked the week before.
Probably just sitting in dry dirt. If that is the case, then no rain is better than a 1/4” rain.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 5:24 pm to Outdoorreb
Clay peas and mostly Brown Top Millet.
I did do a bag of summer mix from Bluff in Natchez and I have no idea what’s in it…but planted that in the middle of my biggest field.
Only needed phosphorus and nitrogen in the small field and only nitrogen in the big field.
Dirt was dry when we planted. It’s covered.
Should I add another bag of fertilizer to each field after (if it ever) rains?
I did do a bag of summer mix from Bluff in Natchez and I have no idea what’s in it…but planted that in the middle of my biggest field.
Only needed phosphorus and nitrogen in the small field and only nitrogen in the big field.
Dirt was dry when we planted. It’s covered.
Should I add another bag of fertilizer to each field after (if it ever) rains?
This post was edited on 6/11/23 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 6/11/23 at 5:51 pm to The Levee
quote:supposed to be widespread rain tomorrow and then near record heat for the rest of the month per NWS NOLA. If you don’t get rain tomorrow you might be fuct
Day 8 after planting and it has not rained a drop
it finally rained here in Hammond WED/THU/FRI but it didn’t do much. I trenched an irrigation line Friday afternoon and below the grass it was dry as a bone. Could barely get a shovel in 1/4”
hope you get some relief
Posted on 6/11/23 at 5:55 pm to cgrand
Great. I fully expect these plantings to fail
Posted on 6/11/23 at 8:36 pm to The Levee
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Should I add another bag of fertilizer to each field after (if it ever) rains?
I would with the nitrogen. Was it plain Urea or was it coated?
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