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re: The old Roman Empire fell on this day in AD 476
Posted on 9/4/23 at 2:33 pm to JasonDBlaha
Posted on 9/4/23 at 2:33 pm to JasonDBlaha
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I’m talking about the millions of illegal immigrants who jump the border into Texas, you clown
Didn’t you jump the border into Texas?
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Posted on 9/4/23 at 2:35 pm to JasonDBlaha
I've read some info that Rome like many nations or empires that fell were weakened when the smaller family farms were bought up and consolidated by larger landholders. In their case, probably high ranking aristocrats and likely members of the Senate.
By reducing the number of landowners you reduce the number and motivation of people fighting for their own livelihoods. The second and subsequent sons of minor landowners were now just sons of people working the land for others. The shortfall in soldiers was made up by a broader definition of those eligible to serve, and subsequently by foreign troops that were either defeated by or allied with Rome.
By reducing the number of landowners you reduce the number and motivation of people fighting for their own livelihoods. The second and subsequent sons of minor landowners were now just sons of people working the land for others. The shortfall in soldiers was made up by a broader definition of those eligible to serve, and subsequently by foreign troops that were either defeated by or allied with Rome.
Posted on 9/4/23 at 2:45 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
quote:Wrong Roman Empire.
We must restore the glory of the Holy Roman Empire
Holy Roman Empire:
Roman Empire:
Posted on 9/4/23 at 2:52 pm to RollTide1987
Roman’s were sending to much money to Ukraine.
Posted on 9/4/23 at 2:55 pm to RollTide1987
The Roman Empire is cooler than the USA. They got gruesome gladiator fights while we only get some soft game where you get in trouble for hitting the QB too hard.
Posted on 9/4/23 at 3:27 pm to SpotCheckBilly
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People of era didn't think of them as Byzantines, but simply Romans. There were some efforts by them to restore their empire on the boot, but nothing that lasted long term.
This true but inevitably it wasn't their homeland. They considered themselves Romans and they were, at least politically, but they also were very aware of their Greekness. The central core had shifted and thus the value in distinguishing the Italic one from the Greek one.
Posted on 9/4/23 at 3:52 pm to cattus
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This true but inevitably it wasn't their homeland. They considered themselves Romans and they were, at least politically, but they also were very aware of their Greekness. The central core had shifted and thus the value in distinguishing the Italic one from the Greek one.
It was their patrimony, and they never gave up the idea that they should and would seek to restore territories fallen to barbarian occupation.
They were not 'aware of their Greekness'; they came from a long line of Romans who celebrated the Greek roots of learning and used it to form the backbone of literary and cultural identity for Rome; it wasn't an accident that
Romans sent their sons to Athens for education.
The only real value in distinguishing the Italian from the Greek Roman patrimony is to perpetuate the 'wrongness' of the schisimatic Eastern Church, in the eyes of the Catholic world and its Protestant descendants.
Posted on 9/4/23 at 4:01 pm to RollTide1987
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Let us shed a tear and have a moment of silence for the memory of this once great civilization from our distant past.
They killed Jesus...
Posted on 9/4/23 at 4:03 pm to Dragula
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They killed Jesus...
But if the Romans hadn't done it, you wouldn't have a savior, right? I do try to see the bright side of most situations.
Posted on 9/4/23 at 4:03 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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We must restore the glory of the Holy Roman Empire
We tried.
Holy Roman Empire was the First Reich
German Empire was the Second Reich
Nazi Germany was the Third Reich
Posted on 9/4/23 at 5:25 pm to LemmyLives
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But if the Romans hadn't done it, you wouldn't have a savior, right? I do try to see the bright side of most situations.
Posted on 9/4/23 at 5:53 pm to BoardReader
Of course they were aware of their Greekness. There is much documented evidence so. Palaiologos, Komneni or other prominent families can claim roots to Italy and maybe some were but the populous of the region was not displaced and there is no evidence of mass migration.
The old Romans wrote about myth but they also wrote a lot about their own roots. They may have had interest and influence from that culture but that didn't make them Greek and they were greatly distinguished. No matter what kind of mental gymnastics Greek nationalist try, Eastern Romans/Byzantines are not descendants of Classical Romans. That's why Latin in the Empire there organically gave way.
The old Romans wrote about myth but they also wrote a lot about their own roots. They may have had interest and influence from that culture but that didn't make them Greek and they were greatly distinguished. No matter what kind of mental gymnastics Greek nationalist try, Eastern Romans/Byzantines are not descendants of Classical Romans. That's why Latin in the Empire there organically gave way.
Posted on 9/4/23 at 6:06 pm to NYNolaguy1
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the final end of the Romans came in 1453,
I learned something.
Wikipedia
"For 800 years, the Theodosian Walls, regarded by historians as the strongest and most fortified walls in the ancient and medieval era, protected Constantinople from attack. However, these fortifications were overcome with the use of gunpowder, specifically from Ottoman cannons and bombards, heralding a change in siege warfare.[23] The Ottoman cannons repeatedly fired massive cannon balls weighing 500 kg over 1.5 km which created gaps in the Theodosian Walls for the Ottoman siege."
Posted on 9/4/23 at 6:20 pm to F1y0n7h3W4LL
But I don't think you can discount the impact of plague population shrink upon the issue. The Wiki article is instructive for some of our less literary friends in detailing, to some extent, what three days of looting means in practice.
In the Musee de Guerre in Paris, there were cannons bigger than what the Ottomans used, and way fancier (i.e. more gilded, with dragons and gold, etc.) It also provided me proof that there were "assault" weapons existed hundreds of years ago.
In the Musee de Guerre in Paris, there were cannons bigger than what the Ottomans used, and way fancier (i.e. more gilded, with dragons and gold, etc.) It also provided me proof that there were "assault" weapons existed hundreds of years ago.
Posted on 9/4/23 at 6:27 pm to RollTide1987
Was Matt House in charge of the Roman defense?
Posted on 9/4/23 at 8:06 pm to CarRamrod
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Immigrants are not assimilating.
Every group was ostracized and stuck to each other in ghettos…the Irish, the Sicilians, the Vietnamese, etc.
The difference between this and the Latino immigration is that the Latino one never abates. This was pointed out in the 1990’s by Peter Brimelow. We are making a mistake by offering bilingual government services. We should offer a path to citizenship that includes English proficiency.
But the Latinos ARE assimilating. There is just always another wave.
Posted on 9/4/23 at 8:10 pm to SpotCheckBilly
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How many of today's buildings will last 2000 years?
DR Horton will make it at least 3000
Posted on 9/4/23 at 9:30 pm to RollTide1987
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The old Roman Empire fell on this day in AD 476
A lot of people had a real bad case of the Mondays.
Posted on 9/4/23 at 10:19 pm to RollTide1987
Rudyard Kipling said it best:
God of our fathers, known of old,
Lord of our far-flung battle-line,
Beneath whose awful Hand we hold
Dominion over palm and pine—
Lord God of Hosts, be with us yet,
Lest we forget—lest we forget!
The tumult and the shouting dies;
The Captains and the Kings depart:
Still stands Thine ancient sacrifice,
An humble and a contrite heart.
Lord God of Hosts, be with us yet,
Lest we forget—lest we forget!
Far-called, our navies melt away;
On dune and headland sinks the fire:
Lo, all our pomp of yesterday
Is one with Nineveh and Tyre!
Judge of the Nations, spare us yet,
Lest we forget—lest we forget!
If, drunk with sight of power, we loose
Wild tongues that have not Thee in awe,
Such boastings as the Gentiles use,
Or lesser breeds without the Law—
Lord God of Hosts, be with us yet,
Lest we forget—lest we forget!
For heathen heart that puts her trust
In reeking tube and iron shard,
All valiant dust that builds on dust,
And guarding, calls not Thee to guard,
For frantic boast and foolish word—
Thy mercy on Thy People, Lord!
God of our fathers, known of old,
Lord of our far-flung battle-line,
Beneath whose awful Hand we hold
Dominion over palm and pine—
Lord God of Hosts, be with us yet,
Lest we forget—lest we forget!
The tumult and the shouting dies;
The Captains and the Kings depart:
Still stands Thine ancient sacrifice,
An humble and a contrite heart.
Lord God of Hosts, be with us yet,
Lest we forget—lest we forget!
Far-called, our navies melt away;
On dune and headland sinks the fire:
Lo, all our pomp of yesterday
Is one with Nineveh and Tyre!
Judge of the Nations, spare us yet,
Lest we forget—lest we forget!
If, drunk with sight of power, we loose
Wild tongues that have not Thee in awe,
Such boastings as the Gentiles use,
Or lesser breeds without the Law—
Lord God of Hosts, be with us yet,
Lest we forget—lest we forget!
For heathen heart that puts her trust
In reeking tube and iron shard,
All valiant dust that builds on dust,
And guarding, calls not Thee to guard,
For frantic boast and foolish word—
Thy mercy on Thy People, Lord!
Posted on 9/4/23 at 10:22 pm to RollTide1987
THe romman empire ended when the Mohammed Muslim took all of the eastern roman empire lands. His forces waited until the Romans and Persian Empire weakened themselves from the fighting before swarmed them.
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