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re: Much Needed Clarity Regarding the Pope and the Recent Document Regarding Blessings

Posted on 12/31/23 at 11:54 pm to
Posted by BamaGradinTn
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Posted on 12/31/23 at 11:54 pm to
The notion that Jesus Christ would give a "blessing" to someone who was adamant in continuing in a lifestyle that God views as abhorrent as homosexuality and utterly refuses to repent is mind numbingly stupid.

There's your "much needed clarity" regarding the Pope.

Catholicism is a farce of a religion, and the papacy continues to prove this on a daily basis
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 1/1/24 at 5:40 am to
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I think it's an error to say that christians will be judged based on if they believe a certain set of dogmas


Then someone needs to tell the RCC, because according to them,
It’s a mortal sin to not believe in any of their many Dogmas
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 1/1/24 at 5:41 am to
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Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 1/1/24 at 5:51 am to
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Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written." John 21:25



Correct. And the Holy Sprit as it moved the writers, made sure they included those things he wanted us to receive.
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 1/1/24 at 5:52 am to
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Wait until you get to Clement of Rome, the 4th Bishop of Rome, who was mentioned by name in Philipians.


So if the word,” Bishop” is synonymous with Pope, why do you still have the office of bishops, but also Popes?
The word Bishop or overseer is mentioned in the Bible. So is deacon, but not Pope. The bishops were local and over certain territories. There is no mention of an office such as Pope
that was over ever church worldwide.
This post was edited on 1/1/24 at 6:08 am
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 1/1/24 at 6:00 am to
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word had to spread orally/verbally.


I’m not debating this. I’m debating about the content of those oral traditions. I believe the things being preached and taught ended up in the Bible. I don’t believe the disciples were going around and teaching about Mary being sinless or any other topics which are not currently mentioned in the Bible.
I asked Stiches earlier and he never answered me and perhaps you will.
When Jesus gave the disciples the great commission and told them to go preach the good news to the world, do you think they were going around preaching and teaching about ; Mary being sinless, Mary remaining a perpetual virgin, Mary being born without original sin, about having a Pope and him having the ability to be
Infallible in official capacities, or the need to go to a priest to be absolved of sin, etc.?
Posted by CatholicLSUDude
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 1/1/24 at 6:24 am to
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The notion that Jesus Christ would give a "blessing" to someone who was adamant in continuing in a lifestyle that God views as abhorrent as homosexuality and utterly refuses to repent is mind numbingly stupid.


What's mind-numbingly stupid is your complete misrepresentation of what the document says. You are like so many others on here, motivated by hatred and anger rather than any honest effort to understand. If you want to make an argument against this document, that's fine, but you should read it and understand what it actually says beforehand.

It repeatedly discusses how the people being blessed should be looking to transform their lives. It says they must acknowledge they are destitute and broken and in need of healing. It says they CANT take the blessing as a legitimization of their homosexual behavior. It says they must be honestly asking God to conform them to His will.

In short, its attitude is, "Go forth and sin no more." Now, where have we heard that before?

Seriously. Some of you guys are so hateful and make no effort at all. Pretty much the opposite of how any Christian should behave.

Look, I can't say this enough. How can so many of you protestants who claim to be following Christ talk about Catholics the way you do? You bring nothing loving or informative to threads like this. You just hate while not even understanding what you're hating. Let's say you're right and the Catholic Church is as evil as you think it is, do you think you're being Christ-like by spewing your hate? Do you think you're bringing souls to conformity with Christ with your ignorant vitriol?

I mean, have you never met a devout Catholic who didn't seem like an ignorant prick? I have plenty of protestant friends with whom I have meaningful faith-centered conversations with. We respect each other despite disagreements.

And I love a good respectful debate. But this crap is just beyond anything that should be acceptable in discourse between people seeking Christ.
This post was edited on 1/1/24 at 6:35 am
Posted by TBoy
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Posted on 1/1/24 at 6:31 am to
Not surprised that the actual document says none of what folks were misled into thinking it said.
Posted by DVA Tailgater
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Posted on 1/1/24 at 6:34 am to
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And I love a good respectful debate. But this crap is just beyond anything that should be acceptable in discourse between people seeking Christ.

And their obsession with tearing down the Blessed Mother is bizarre as well.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 1/1/24 at 6:45 am to
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When I was stationed in the D.C. area I typically attended a Traditional Latin Mass and was surprised that most of the attendees weren't older Catholics but those from the Millennial and Gen Z generations.



Wonderful. The RCC already doesn’t expound on scripture or teach it’s congregants about it. Now they can simply say the Mass in Latin and no one will even understand one word.
So edifying!
This post was edited on 1/1/24 at 6:46 am
Posted by DVA Tailgater
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Posted on 1/1/24 at 6:52 am to
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The RCC already doesn’t expound on scripture or teach it’s congregants about it. Now they can simply say the Mass in Latin and no one will even understand one word


The beauty of a Catholic Mass is that you could attend one anywhere on Earth, and a practicing Catholic would have no trouble following along.

As for not expounding on scripture, I guess I’ve just hallucinated 36 years of homilies from priests and deacons. Also hallucinating Father Mike Schmitz expounding daily on the entirety of the Bible.
Posted by CatholicLSUDude
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 1/1/24 at 6:52 am to
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Wonderful. The RCC already doesn’t expound on scripture or teach it’s congregants about it. Now they can simply say the Mass in Latin and no one will even understand one word. So edifying!


Hate look! Another hate-motivated assertion that completely dismisses the actual reason for Latin mass!
Posted by Stitches
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 1/1/24 at 7:01 am to
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And the Holy Sprit as it moved the writers, made sure they included those things he wanted us to receive.



Can you show me a single verse of scripture that says everything the Holy Spirit wanted written down was written?
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 1/1/24 at 7:06 am to
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And their obsession with tearing down the Blessed Mother is bizarre as well.


What’s bizarre is the Catholic infatuation with venerating her to a status that is unscriptural.
This post was edited on 1/1/24 at 7:14 am
Posted by Stitches
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Posted on 1/1/24 at 7:08 am to
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So if the word,” Bishop” is synonymous with Pope, why do you still have the office of bishops, but also Popes?


You're not making any sense. The Pope is simply the Bishop of Rome. The word Pope comes from the Greek word páppas, which means "father".

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The word Bishop or overseer is mentioned in the Bible. So is deacon, but not Pope.


Neither is bible, trinity, rapture, and so many other things that you believe in.
This post was edited on 1/1/24 at 7:09 am
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 1/1/24 at 7:09 am to
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As for not expounding on scripture, I guess I’ve just hallucinated 36 years of homilies from priests and deacons. Also hallucinating Father Mike Schmitz expounding daily on the entirety of the Bible.


I went to Catholic masses for years, and yes, they’d read passages and said something like,” a letter from Paul to the Romans” then said some words.
But, I had no clue who Paul was, who the Romans were, and the priest certainly didn’t break down scripture. When I talk about preaching the word, I’m talking about expository preaching.
This post was edited on 1/1/24 at 7:16 am
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 1/1/24 at 7:13 am to
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Can you show me a single verse of scripture that says everything the Holy Spirit wanted written down was written?



Again with the,” let’s focus on what it doesn’t say, and ignore what it does say.”
The Bible says there is one mediator between man and the father, the man Jesus Christ.
“ hey it doesn’t say there can’t be a mediator to the mediator.”

I’m not playing that game.
This post was edited on 1/1/24 at 7:16 am
Posted by CatholicLSUDude
Member since Aug 2018
760 posts
Posted on 1/1/24 at 7:19 am to
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But, I had no clue who Paul was, who the Romans were, and the priest certainly didn’t break down scripture. When I talk about preaching the word, I’m talking about expository preaching.


This sounds like you were poorly catechized by the Catholics around you as you grew up, but that’s not the case across the board in the Church. Especially now. It seems to have been pretty common in the back half of the last century.

There are many many Catholic resources available that expound upon these things.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67517 posts
Posted on 1/1/24 at 7:21 am to
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Much Needed Clarity Regarding the Pope

He's a woke, God hating retard.....is that clear enough?
Posted by Filtiger
Philippines
Member since Apr 2009
352 posts
Posted on 1/1/24 at 7:21 am to
2 Timothy 3:16
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 All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness.
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