re: 32 Hour Work Week

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Cubbies wants the government to artificially inflate her worth as a worker.

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The lack of worth is why she doesn’t value her work. And she obviously doesn’t have the virtue of hard work embedded into her being.

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So, of course she doesn’t want to work. It adds nothing to her life…and very little to others.

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What’s even funnier is that I’ve literally never given one single thought to you or what your job might be. You matter so little that I truly don’t care at all how you do or don’t spend your time.

But carry on. I love hearing your fantasies about me. :lol:

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I likely work more than you do, and I really don't bitch about it.

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Pissing contests over who works more hours is not something normal people are proud of. This board is so out of touch.

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What’s even funnier is that I’ve literally never given one single thought to you or what your job might be

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Of course not. Why would you?

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You matter so little that I truly don’t care at all how you do or don’t spend your time.

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I’m an anonymous person to you. Of course.

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But carry on. I love hearing your fantasies about me.

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Fantasies? Ok.

My comments are based on what you posted. I’d bet they are pretty close to the bullseye.

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I'm sure you've convinced yourself of that. I'm sure you made a list of all the free overtime you've worked so when Jesus asks you when you've fed the hungry or clothed the naked, you'll have a response ready at the pearly gates.

Good luck.

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Look at ole Cubbies judging lest she be judged. Making all kinds of assumptions about who I've fed and clothed and who I haven't.

As an aside, there's no such thing as "free overtime" for me. I've worked for myself my whole adult life. Every second I worked was "free overtime," or none of it was, depending upon which way you choose to look at it.

But let's see what Jesus said, since we're going to quote scripture to passive-aggressively judge each other.

John 5:17—"In his defense Jesus said to them, 'My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.'”

I can quote Peter and Paul if you like as well.

They say what I said is true.

Back to your accusations, I'll bet I've given more money and as much time as you have to feeding and clothing. Want to bet?

(You don't have a very good memory, btw, because you never remember that nonsense like that doesn't work on me despite you trying this a few times already.)

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Pissing contests over who works more hours is not something normal people are proud of. This board is so out of touch.

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This feels like insecurity.

Some people have drive. Lots of energy, high drive, strong sense of responsibility, pack oriented (family)

You criticize these folks, but they keep the world running.

Humans discovered leisure within the past couple of generations, and most of the world isnt there yet. The drive to build and create is innate.

Your privilege is showing.

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Your privilege is showing.

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100%.

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Not even entirely sure why 40 hours is somehow the end all be all on who is "lazy" and who "works hard" anyways.

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Oh, it's not. It's a minimum. As Neal Boortz used to say, "If you're upset about not being able to get ahead and you only work a 40 hour workweek, don't come crying to me. The 40 hour workweek is for sissies."

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isn't rewarded proportionately by employers anymore (and in fact, it's taken advantage of).

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I can't speak for all employers and I understand that the size and type of company we might be talking about varies wildly, but this is the broad brush nonsense that I was noting that Cubbies is here parroting that has become so popular as of late.

Employers may have changed, but for damn sure employees have changed. All the "quiet quitting," "Minimal Effort Mondays," etc., etc. didn't used to exist.

People who say the things you're saying always frame this equation as though it's only one way. As though employers have no loyalty to employees. Yet you'll say that in the context of describing in detail all the various ways that you have absolutely no loyalty to your employer.

If you are a typical employee in 2024 you are every bit as transactional as your employer, if not more so (and I would argue more so, because employers don't have things like "Lazy Employee Salary Deduction Wednesday," or "Quiet Salary Holdback.")

For some reason the typical employee in 2024 thinks the employer is obligated to a depth of relationship that he or she is not. As someone upthread already said, "populist pablum."

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managers will legit tell the most hardworking employees to their face that all they can give them this year is a 3% cost of living raise.

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What should they give them? Why is the employee entitled to more than that? For that matter, why is the employee even entitled to that?

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All while emails get sent out about how the company had a record year.

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But did the emails explain why it hd a record year?

See, I tried three different times to institute a true profit sharing model at my company. I gave my employees (all of them, from the entry level ones to the highest educated and credentialed ones) a chance to make more money when the company made more money, but I made one thing very clear to them...you don't get to make more money just because the company makes more money. You get to make more money when you are the reason the company made more money. When your actions are what increased revenue.

If the company made more money because I came up with a better marketing strategy or spent more money on marketing or had an idea to add more services, etc., etc., etc., then why should YOU make more money for something I did?

Everyone there was hired to do a job and the agreed to a certain wage to do it. The company making more money for everyone simply doing the job they agreed to do from the outset was not the deal—everyone was already being compensated for that.

What I was talking about was taking more responsibility for the trajectory of the company. More self-management. More recognizing problems and fixing them without having to be told and more recognizing new opportunities and developing them or bringing them to management to present to ownership.

And this required very little "over" time because I built in time during the normal workday for it.

Guess what happened? All three times?

Everybody wasted the time I built in by either attending to personal matters or by catching up on "in-time" work (normal job responsibilities) and no one ever did the "on-time" work they were supposed to be doing to take more responsibility for the direction and trajectory of the company. Despite me devoting time to "coaching" everybody on what I was looking for from them. They simply weren't willing to do it.

So after the third time, I stopped trying.

Someone said upthread that the reality of this question is that people who cry about working hard are just looking to maximize their consumerism with as little effort as possible, and that poster was right.

IME employees in 2024 don't want all the stuff they claim they want from employers. Respect, opportunity, ownership, etc. They just have their hands out. They are simply sure that they are entitled to more, but they are just as sure that they shouldn't have to give any more to get it.

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but this is the broad brush nonsense

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It's not though. Expectations are increasingly rising, yet compensation doesn't match it. It's why people quit so often. You can get a 20%-30% raise leaving a job after 2-3 years, while your current employer refuses to give you even half that. Then they turn around and have to pay that anyway to someone new AND have the train them.

Why would anyone want to be loyal to that? Have to work another 10 years to get the compensation another employer will give me NOW? It's a no brainer.

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Employers may have changed, but for damn sure employees have changed

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Yeah, they are burnt the frick out from busting arse going above and beyond what they are paid for and what their job description is, yet they aren't compensated fairly for doing it. See my point above, you are worth what the market will pay you, and employers will literally just burn you out until you walk out and go get what you want elsewhere.

I've seen it for YEARS in my industry. Employer will want to hire a replacement for someone who left, then bitch about how much they are asking for. A month later we see on LinkedIn that that same person now has a job working for another employer who offered to pay what they were requesting.

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All the "quiet quitting," "Minimal Effort Mondays," etc., etc. didn't used to exist.

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It absolutely has always existed. Quiet quitting isn't new, it's called checking out. People have been doing this for decades. Minimal effort Mondays? Not sure I've heard of this, but everyone in the history of work hates Mondays and isn't in full swing.

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As though employers have no loyalty to employees

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They don't. They will offer you the bare minimum to stay while requiring above and beyond maximum effort.

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Yet you'll say that in the context of describing in detail all the various ways that you have absolutely no loyalty to your employer.

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I'd be interested to know your age. This sounds like some, "I worked at the factory for 40 years, was never late and now I'm retired well" scenario that doesn't exist anymore.

I'm going to sound like a broken record, but the people who are BUSTING arse working long hours, going outside the bounds of their pay and their job description thinking it will pay off, but they are rarely rewarded properly for it.

People aren't going to grind away for the company/team and redline themselves to the point they hate going to work for cost of living raises and a "thanks for the hard work" email.

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For some reason the typical employee in 2024 thinks the employer is obligated to a depth of relationship that he or she is not

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You have it completely backwards. The employer sets the job description and the hours. When the employee adheres to those boundaries and those boundaries only, the employer claims the employee is lazy and doesn't want to "work".

This is why the current generation of workers is doing exactly what they are hired to do and no more. The only thing that's change is that employers are mad that they can't pressure people into overworking anymore. We'll just leave and go somewhere else.

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What should they give them? Why is the employee entitled to more than that? For that matter, why is the employee even entitled to that?

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The audacity to talk about minimal effort then say this shite about employees who go abvoe and beyond. Jesus fricking Christ. Why are you entitled to more than what the employee was hired to do?

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Everyone there was hired to do a job and the agreed to a certain wage to do it. The company making more money for everyone simply doing the job they agreed to do from the outset was not the deal—everyone was already being compensated for that.

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Again, when employees do exactly what they were hired to do and show up at 8 and leave at 5, they aren't "hardworking" but now when it comes time to compensate people who are going beyond the job description and their pay scale, it's "Well we had an agreed upon compensation."

I don't have anything against employers. It's their company, run it how you want. But if your stance is that compensation is going to match job description and not effort, then don't be surprised when employees stick to doing only the job description and not extra effort.