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re: How misguided were kids when they chose grunge over hair metal?

Posted on 5/4/24 at 8:19 am to
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 5/4/24 at 8:19 am to
I won't argue your point at all. I think you are spot on in your review.. Grunge was its own thing and largely localized to bands coming out of the Seattle area. It was a lot darker than hair metal which was largely...."happy" . Hair Metal was a co-opt ,If you will, of pop and hard rock and the look was vastly different.

Grunge was all flannel, and rough hewn clothing, hair metal was spandex, teased hair and make up.....show time. Hair Metal had the power ballad, "Every Rose Has It's Thorn" and "Don't Know What You Got, 'til its Gone" sort of stuff.Grunge was angsty...it's tough to find a real love song / power ballad. Grunge reflected a certain existential if not a bit of nihilistic pain. You were not getting that really at all from the Hair Metal guys.

But what did Hair Metal in, I think, is that like other trends in music, the category got saturated and bands were out there that were just copying what other guys in the genre were doing. The final straw to me was Warrant. They seemed to be a cheap knock off of Poison. Who was something in look as a knock off of Motley Crue with the Spandex and makeup, etc.If you were hard rock, record labels were looking for a "look" All of them had to have a power ballad....and that overshadowed some really good music that they were making. Poison actually had some good music. CC Deville was a very good guitarist. Tom Kiefer....maybe one of the best songwriters and a multi instrumentalist...just to give some mainstream examples. Kip Winger was great as well. Mick Mars is vastly underrated as a guitarist and probably should get more love. There was a lot to like from the Hair Metal guys.....and it seemed they were having fun.

Musically, both of them were close. Grunge and Hair were different versions of the blues influenced guitar driven rock that had prevailed since rock music had been born. You could see in both of them the building on of work that was evident even from Carl Perkins back in thelate 50s, Link Wray, Jimi Hendrix (the original grunge ), EVH, etc.. You said Emo....I think that is a better description of the Seattle music than Grunge. There's darkness to it a feeling like they were saying...." Life is fricked up, I don't understand the world, so many contradictions, etc". But there was really good music out there apart from the overall depressing vibe from the lyrics. Pearl Jam still has tight arrangements,Cobain was a good guitarist. Soundgarten worked really well as a unit. STP was great as well....and Alice In Chains was WOW! to me...still is

For me, what really turned me off to rock music- aside from having a 10-12 hr a day career and kids, was the New Metal of Limp Bizkit and Korn and Pantera among others. The music lacks soul. It's guys just assaulting their guitars for the sake of assaulting their guitars ....and your ears. In my opinion there really was not much to recommend it. Just a bunch of fricked up looking dudes with tattoos screeching into a microphone and sped up guitar links and barely any real continuity. Never got the attraction that people had to it.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67249 posts
Posted on 5/4/24 at 8:42 am to
Nu Metal was all about energy. A lot of grunge stuff was very subdued and numb.

I find that popular music goes in cycles:
Happy/fun > sad/chill > angry/hyper > repeat.

Nu metal took what was catchy from hip/hop, the angst from grunge, and cranked the energy levels up to 100. People were tired of numb grunge and safe pop rock. They wanted something simultaneously less sad but more edgy they could let loose to. Watch videos from Woodstock 99, and that concert was lit AF. Limp Bizkit had those people losing their minds.
Posted by Saintsisit
Member since Jan 2013
3989 posts
Posted on 5/4/24 at 10:35 am to
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New Metal of Limp Bizkit and Korn and Pantera among others.


Today I learned that there's someone on Earth that thinks Pantera is Nu Metal.
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