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re: Okay. Trump concealed payments to Stormy...

Posted on 5/14/24 at 3:11 pm to
Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
40623 posts
Posted on 5/14/24 at 3:11 pm to
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I don’t fricking care



No one does.
Posted by lsuguy84
CO
Member since Feb 2009
20118 posts
Posted on 5/14/24 at 3:11 pm to
You okay?
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
60785 posts
Posted on 5/14/24 at 3:12 pm to
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But when Trump lies or breaks laws

Please cite criminal statutes in question.

Hell, I'm on the edge of my seat waiting to see what meets the threshold for "lies" from him.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
30065 posts
Posted on 5/14/24 at 3:20 pm to
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Question - why would a notorious germaphobe agree to have unprotected sex with a porn star that has a latex allergy? With all the unprotected sex Stormy has had on and off camera, why would someone, who liberal media outlets have reported has a serious phobia of germs, agree to go bareback on a one-night stand?


And if Trump banged SD then he 100% banged numerous other porn stars. Porn stars will take dicks in all their holes at the same time but wouldn’t sell their story about sleeping with Trump for money?!? Cmon!

There should be hundreds of porn stars coming out of the woodwork. But there isn’t.
Posted by Purplehaze
spring, tx
Member since Dec 2003
1835 posts
Posted on 5/14/24 at 3:22 pm to
There are many You tube videos dealing with Trump and his lies. Here is just one of them.

Trump and his lies
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
58249 posts
Posted on 5/14/24 at 3:26 pm to
I’m thinking the Dems want a conviction of Trump on any charge before the election. And though they know they will probably lose on appeal, they assume the appeal won’t be heard till after the election.
So they are hoping, branding Trump a convicted criminal before the election will turn off enough voters to hurt Trump.
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
20478 posts
Posted on 5/14/24 at 3:30 pm to
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Let's say he did and jury finds him guilty. I think he probably did.
well paying some one to be quiet is not illegal, and keeping it from being public is also not illegal, please list an actual crime, thanks for playing.
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
30152 posts
Posted on 5/14/24 at 3:31 pm to
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Okay. Trump concealed payments to Stormy...


no he didnt

stormy said trump never paid her a dime and they never had sex, not even once

stormy said cohen paid her and she said cohen told her trump knows nothing about it

cohen said trump never paid her a dime, and he never paid stormy on trumps behalf but he did it on his own with his own money and not trumps

trump said he never had sex with stormy and he never authorized anyone to pay stormy anything


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It is my understanding that falsifying documents is a misdemeanor

what they claim are falsified documents are just the banks and the retail markets valuation of what trumps property was worth. they claim the banks were wrong and trumps guilty because the banks incorrectly valued his property values.

so their entire case is OMB and trumps a meany who must be stopped from getting re-elected at any cost
Posted by CreoleTigerEsq
Noneya
Member since Nov 2007
613 posts
Posted on 5/14/24 at 3:31 pm to
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... by telling the story again and again of how he told a porn star she looks like his daughter before her spanking him ...


Likely the funniest/weirdest thing (other than his own lawyer repeatedly referring to him as the Orange Turd in open court) to have happened during this trial.
Posted by CreoleTigerEsq
Noneya
Member since Nov 2007
613 posts
Posted on 5/14/24 at 3:37 pm to
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It is my understanding that falsifying documents is a misdemeanor, unless you falsify the documents in order to commit a crime. If so, what is the underlying crime that he used the falsified documents for? At this point, they are just prosecuting him for misdemeanors, correct?


The part of the statute that enhances the crime from a misdemeanor to a felony doesn't require the person who committed the initial crime to have committed the subsequent crime that enhances the crime from a misdemeanor to a felony. The prosecutor can also prove that the falsification of business records was done to aid or conceal the commission of another crime.

Note, the statute says nothing about there being a requirement that the person being charged with falsifying records has to have actually committed the subsequent crime (in this case the FEC violations, for which Cohen has already pled guilty and served time in prison).

The theory of the case is that business records were falsified, and that the underlying falsification of those business records was done with either an intent to (1) commit another crime or (2) aid or conceal the commission thereof. I'm thinking Bragg's theory is going to rely more on aiding or concealing the commission of Cohen's crimes.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124273 posts
Posted on 5/14/24 at 3:37 pm to
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Okay. Trump concealed payments to Stormy...
Let's say he did
That is not a crime.

Payment to conceal a nuisance claim is done all the time.
It is not a crime.
Nor is the ridding of a nuisance an admission of any sort.

Those are incredibly important facts basing this discussion.
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
6768 posts
Posted on 5/14/24 at 3:43 pm to
Bragg has a problem. Paralegal in his firm testified they had tampered with evidence by delegating phone records.

Jack Smith tampered with evidence as well.

Really got to hand it to the communists in these trials.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21987 posts
Posted on 5/14/24 at 4:01 pm to
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Payment to conceal a nuisance claim is done all the time.
It is not a crime.
Nor is the ridding of a nuisance an admission of any sort.


But falsifying your business records to hide the reimbursement of that payment, that's a crime.

And making the payment in support of a particular candidate's campaign for office, also a crime.

Those are also incredibly important facts basing this discussion.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73491 posts
Posted on 5/14/24 at 4:07 pm to
Sure thing Bill Clinton.
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
20478 posts
Posted on 5/14/24 at 4:17 pm to
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But falsifying your business records to hide the reimbursement of that payment, that's a crime.

And making the payment in support of a particular candidate's campaign for office, also a crime.

Those are also incredibly important facts basing this discussion.



none of this happened
Posted by Dirk Dawgler
Where I Am
Member since Nov 2011
2531 posts
Posted on 5/14/24 at 4:20 pm to
The party you are going to throw if he gets convicted of a misdemeanor will be off the chain with all the weak men you know. Palestinian flag on one wall and the pride flag on another. Little Hamas cupcakes and penis shaped popsicles. The most confusing congregation of Marxists in metro Atlanta all under one studio apartment roof!
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
63682 posts
Posted on 5/14/24 at 4:27 pm to
Well, it’s gainer the law in NY to falsify business records in NY, and that’s what the Trump organization did to disguise the payment by disguising the reimbursement to Cohen
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
20478 posts
Posted on 5/14/24 at 4:31 pm to
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Well, it’s gainer the law in NY to falsify business records in NY, and that’s what the Trump organization did to disguise the payment by disguising the reimbursement to Cohen
no they didn't dumbfrick, what is it? a fricking legal expense
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101727 posts
Posted on 5/14/24 at 4:32 pm to
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Well, it’s gainer the law in NY to falsify business records in NY, and that’s what the Trump organization did to disguise the payment by disguising the reimbursement to Cohen


You don't bring a criminal trial against a former president and current candidate over something this fricking petty.

But you are a complete garbage human being at this point, and don't understand (or I guess maybe just don't care one whit) about how much of the fabric of our country you are destroying by doing so.

Congrats, bro.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21987 posts
Posted on 5/14/24 at 4:32 pm to
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none of this happened


They have it on tape / documented with Trump's own signature.

If you think it didn't happen, you're ignorant or lying.
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