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re: 4 year long study on Wegovy/semaglutide shows heart benefits and safety
Posted on 5/15/24 at 11:27 am to ronricks
Posted on 5/15/24 at 11:27 am to ronricks
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The vast majority - I'd go as far as saying the extreme majority of people who are obese is because of their own lifestyle choices. It's not 'hereditary' or a 'condition' or some other nonsense. It is because they willingly choose to be that way and can't be bothered with fixing it. There are extreme outliers but they are very very rare.
we agree but this medicine helps them fix it.
look we may agree diet and exercise is probably the best way to do it (its debatably due to the medicines ability to control blood sugar, positive effects on the heart and on addictive behaviors) but as much as we have preached that over the last couple decades...it just isnt working from a behavioral modification standpoint
so instead of standing on moral high ground and beating our head against the wall screaming to do it a certain way, why not embrace a medicine that helps them change?
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Posted on 5/15/24 at 11:30 am to ronricks
quote:Very strange how equivocal you are being about stopping pedophilia. I didn’t ask which method you preferred or for you to decide or dictate which method is used, I just simply asked if you support using whatever effective means there is to stop pedophelia. It’s a straight forward question that you are dodging like a politician that is taking money from NAMBLA.
Both ways work. It’s not up to me to decide or dictate which one is used. You can use either.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 11:34 am to Epic Cajun
Got it. You just want the right to weigh in per the Constitution, with a little personal judgement and ridicule. Knock yourself out and imagine how great it will be in 10 years when obesity is an outlier. That's truly what I believe the power of these medications are.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 11:34 am to WDE24
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It’s a straight forward question that you are dodging like a politician that is taking money from NAMBLA.
I've condemned pedophilia along with obesity and transsexuals. You are the one that seems reluctant to do such not me. I've been posting about not allowing them to be 'normalized' all throughout this thread. You, on the other hand seem to be walking a tightrope. There is no question here which side of the fence I am on but the same can't be said for you. Why? Are you a member of the LGBTQ+ community? Member of the obese community?
Posted on 5/15/24 at 11:40 am to ronricks
You dodged the straight forward question for about the 5th time now.
Do you support the use of all safe and effective means to fight pedophilia?
Do you support the use of all safe and effective means to fight pedophilia?
Posted on 5/15/24 at 11:42 am to Rust Cohle
quote:Don’t give me that hippy dippy bullshite.
From the type of willpower that you are implying, I would say you don’t have any willpower at all, and it’s just an illusion. I would encourage anyone that believes that being fat is just lazy or a choice to read Robert Sapolskys book behave. Your ability to successfully change your habits was determined by hundreds if not thousands of actions that you made in the past, and most that you had no say in or control of at all.
This post was edited on 5/15/24 at 11:44 am
Posted on 5/15/24 at 11:44 am to WDE24
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Do you support the use of all safe and effective means to fight pedophilia?
We already have this. Its called chemical castration. What do you not understand about this?
Posted on 5/15/24 at 11:45 am to ronricks
Yikes. Dodged again. Very telling.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 11:47 am to WDE24
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Yikes. Dodged again. Very telling.
Ive endorsed it multiple times just like I have also endorsed the other solution which is killing them. Both work just the same. Speaking of dodging - are you a member of the LGBTQ+ community? Obesity community? Both?
Posted on 5/15/24 at 11:51 am to ronricks
quote:great…so you also endorse any safe and effective means by which to fight obesity. Glad you have grown on this issue.
Ive endorsed it multiple times j
quote:I am not, but unequivocally and plainly support the use of any safe and effective method to deal with any affliction that is harming anyone or those around them.
are you a member of the LGBTQ+ community? Obesity community? Both?
Posted on 5/15/24 at 11:54 am to WDE24
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great…so you also endorse any safe and effective means by which to fight obesity. Glad you have grown on this issue.
Safest and most effective solution is not to become obese in the first place by using proper diet, exercise, and lifestyle habits. We have over 200 studies showing us such.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 11:56 am to ronricks
quote:
The vast majority - I'd go as far as saying the extreme majority of people who are obese is because of their own lifestyle choices. It's not 'hereditary' or a 'condition' or some other nonsense. It is because they willingly choose to be that way and can't be bothered with fixing it. There are extreme outliers but they are very very rare.
I agree.
I still support them taking these meds if qualified by their doctor. The meds can help rebalance the hormones they’ve thrown out of whack through their long time diet of primarily processed foods. By eliminating cravings, it can break their dopamine addiction they have from eating those foods.
All of which helps those of us who love healthy lifestyles because fewer obese means overall lower health insurance costs, specifically in Medicare.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 11:58 am to ronricks
quote:Yep. No one disagrees.
Safest and most effective solution is not to become obese in the first place by using proper diet, exercise, and lifestyle habits.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 12:09 pm to ronricks
quote:
Are you trying to derail the thread? This is really weird. I have intentionally stayed on the actual subject matter and not done anything to change or derail the actual topic at hand.
Holy shite that’s rich.
It’s a thread about GLP1s, and you’ve been doing everything you can to make it about your disgust for fatties while intentionally avoiding talking about GLP1s.
Someone brings up your actual stance on the drug and they’re the one derailing the thread? This place cracks me up sometimes.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 12:13 pm to lostinbr
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It’s a thread about GLP1s, and you’ve been doing everything you can to make it about your disgust for fatties while intentionally avoiding talking about GLP1s.
I've said you can lose weight with them or without them. How is that statement being against them?
You do not need them to lose weight. You do not need them to live a healthy lifestyle. That isn't being against them. I've talked about them in this thread under the context that they were presented - that they are safe and show heart benefits. Can you post where I have posted to the contrary in this thread? You can't because unlike others I stuck to the actual topic at hand. We can also do that while condemning obesity as well.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 12:27 pm to lsu777
I jumped on the hate the shite bandwagon early. The more I’ve read and listened the more I opened my mind. I checked it out for myself as my weight has crept up along w some bloodwork measures. All blood work is in normal range but creeping up.
I decided to try 100% diet changes for now. But after decades of not eating correctly and aging, it has been pretty tough to break old habits.
Anything that helps folks control heart disease, diabetes and other medical issues must be seen positively
I decided to try 100% diet changes for now. But after decades of not eating correctly and aging, it has been pretty tough to break old habits.
Anything that helps folks control heart disease, diabetes and other medical issues must be seen positively
Posted on 5/15/24 at 12:28 pm to ronricks
I think your stance about the societal benefits (or lack thereof) of the drug is a lot more relevant to the topic than 7 pages of why you hate fatties. 
Posted on 5/15/24 at 12:31 pm to lostinbr
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relevant to the topic
The topic of this thread is that Wegovy shows heart benefits and is safe. Nowhere in this thread have I argued against that premise. Not a single post and here you are melting because I also included that obesity is not normal.
What a time to be alive.......
Posted on 5/15/24 at 12:36 pm to ronricks
Y’all have really ruined the word “melt” around here. 
I just think it’s funny that you have like 12 posts in this thread starting with “I haven’t said whether I’m for or against the drugs” followed by 300 words about why fatties suck, but then accuse someone else of derailing the thread.
I just think it’s funny that you have like 12 posts in this thread starting with “I haven’t said whether I’m for or against the drugs” followed by 300 words about why fatties suck, but then accuse someone else of derailing the thread.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 12:38 pm to lostinbr
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I just think it’s funny that you have like 12 posts in this thread starting with “I haven’t said whether I’m for or against the drugs” followed by 300 words about why fatties suck, but then accuse someone else of derailing the thread.
I'm not the one going against the grain in this thread. You need to focus your anger at some other folks. Fatties disgust me. It is my right to voice that opinion. its also not normal. Hope that doesn't hurt your feelings?
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