re: 56% of GOP voters want govt to pay more in monthly SS benefits/medicare

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How is it a populist position to want the money government has taken from your check for 45 years?

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That sentence doesn't really ask anything meaningful because you're trying so hard to frame what's happening according to your narrative. You didn't even get the populist part right.

Let's break it down like this:

SS was a scam from the outset. It was sold to the public as an involuntary investment program. You pay your money in, the government invests it and pays you dividends when you get older.

That was a lie. Just like Obamacare was a lie. You didn't get to keep your doctor. The average family didn't save $2,500. It was a lie and we know that they knew it was a lie (see John Gruber).

SS was the same way.

If you stop and think about it for 10 seconds you know without a doubt that it can't be "your money you've paid in for 45 years" that you're getting back.

If that were really the case the first person eligible for a payout wouldn't have been eligible until 1982. And think for a second about inflation. You put in a small fraction of what you're getting back. The government doesn't invest any of the funds except the surplus, and it only invests it in government securities. Other wise it's just taxpayers paying in and recipients getting paid with that same money.

So it's literally not a real investment fund where you put in money that grows (hopefully) faster than inflation and compounds over decades and yields a much bigger sum than what you paid in. It doesn't work that way. It's almost entirely today's taxpayers paying for yesterday's taxpayers.

And it was designed to be that way from the beginning. The whole thing was just as much a lie as Obamacare, told by just as liberal of a president.

All it is is welfare for the old. People who are working are paying in, people who are not working are getting paid from their taxes.

And when you have generational population fluctuations, it bankrupts the system.

The fact that you guys won't accept that obvious reality (because it serves your narrative of "I want what's MINE") is what I'm talking about.

And it's ironic because the mantra around this populist petrie dish is that you can't believe anything the government tells you.

Except, apparently, the marketing campaign from 1936 about SS. The one thing that is an obvious lie that anyone with 4 working brains cells can figure out HAS to be a lie just by thinking it through for 30 seconds...THAT'S the one thing y'all will believe. Nay...that y'all refuse NOT to believe, in that face of facts presented to you.

Look, wanting the money back is one thing. I wish I had every penny I have ever paid the government in taxes regardless of what they used it for.

But that doesn't change any of this.

SS/Medicare are what is breaking the bank and nothing else comes close, AND, it's going to keep getting worse b/c the population is declining while Americans aren't getting married and having children.

I keep telling y'all that the open border is NOT about votes. It's about THIS.

SOMEBODY has got to pay into this fund if it's going to stay workable (I didn't say "solvent," I just said workable).

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How is it a populist position to want the money government has taken from your check for 45 years?

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You're a populist because you don't want to screw over the average worker for "principles." They claim to be small government, true conservatives, but they support taking away earned benefits that were originally taken in taxes. These people are literally supporting the government stealing your money in taxes with no return and then trying to claim you support big government.