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re: Ever have jury duty?
Posted on 4/3/17 at 3:48 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
Posted on 4/3/17 at 3:48 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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No one doubted he did it, they just didn't understand the difference between Murder 2 and Manslaughter, and if I didn't need them to convict, I wasn't going to make people stay to get it done.
This is actually one of my pet peeves about the jury system, that some people are super gullible and just go along with whatever the other jurors say.
It nullifies the whole "jury of peers" idea, and devolves into "well he's a lawyer so he must know better than I do. Therefore guilty..."
To be clear I am not blaming you or the case, but the system.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 4:06 pm to kjntgr
I did. Harris County, Texas. It was a state charge, 6 person jury (didn't know a 6 person jury was a thing).
I was fourth on the list of jurors so I got selected. Got checked in, then a bunch of us had to sit outside in a hallway for 2 hours. That sucked. Finally got in, did voir dire or whatever the term is, got selected. Went to a room, they said go get some lunch, come back for 1:30.
Trial lasted till about 6 pm that day, and lasted from 9-12 next day. They brought in pizza for us so we could start our deliberations. By 2:30 I was in the car headed home.
Guy was accused of beating up his live-in girlfriend. Girl had a few scratches. Girl refused to press charges at the scene or after. Entire case was based off of physical evidence and the eyewitness of a neighbor in the apartment complex, who happened to be a female army soldier.
The defense was, girl got lit drunk and high out at a party, she was a big ole gal too, and the boyfriend had to basically carry her into the apartment. She wasn't a happy drunk and was fighting with him and a couple of times he grabbed her and basically pushed her in the apartment (where they both lived). At one point she fell and got a bruise and a cut.
She admitted to being drunk and high and that there was never a problem. The guy had no priors for violent crime.
Two things made it real interesting.
1) When the jury selection shook out, the way it ended up was with an all-white, all-male jury.
2) The defendant and the "victim", neither of them spoke a lick of English. I'm 99.9 percent sure they were here illegally. The only think we were told was that the defendant was of Mexican heritage. His or her immigration status was never mentioned.
Oh, and he was found not guilty. He may have beat her up, who knows, but the prosecution's case was terrible and weak.
I was fourth on the list of jurors so I got selected. Got checked in, then a bunch of us had to sit outside in a hallway for 2 hours. That sucked. Finally got in, did voir dire or whatever the term is, got selected. Went to a room, they said go get some lunch, come back for 1:30.
Trial lasted till about 6 pm that day, and lasted from 9-12 next day. They brought in pizza for us so we could start our deliberations. By 2:30 I was in the car headed home.
Guy was accused of beating up his live-in girlfriend. Girl had a few scratches. Girl refused to press charges at the scene or after. Entire case was based off of physical evidence and the eyewitness of a neighbor in the apartment complex, who happened to be a female army soldier.
The defense was, girl got lit drunk and high out at a party, she was a big ole gal too, and the boyfriend had to basically carry her into the apartment. She wasn't a happy drunk and was fighting with him and a couple of times he grabbed her and basically pushed her in the apartment (where they both lived). At one point she fell and got a bruise and a cut.
She admitted to being drunk and high and that there was never a problem. The guy had no priors for violent crime.
Two things made it real interesting.
1) When the jury selection shook out, the way it ended up was with an all-white, all-male jury.
2) The defendant and the "victim", neither of them spoke a lick of English. I'm 99.9 percent sure they were here illegally. The only think we were told was that the defendant was of Mexican heritage. His or her immigration status was never mentioned.
Oh, and he was found not guilty. He may have beat her up, who knows, but the prosecution's case was terrible and weak.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 4:19 pm to Murtown
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There are no jury trials for traffic offenses.
State of Texas you can
Posted on 4/3/17 at 4:20 pm to kjntgr
I was either 18 or 19 and got summonsed in Jefferson Parish while at LSU. Sent a letter stating that I was away at college. Was registered in EBR for about 12 years and never got summonsed. Shortly after moving to Ascension I got summonsed. We all stood outside the courtroom for about an hour, then the judge calls us into the courtroom and says something like "Thank you for showing up. Sometimes it takes the presence of a possible jury to motivate the sides to settle. You are no longer needed. Go to the office to pick up your check." Not sure what the trial was for. Going on 8 years since that.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 4:53 pm to kjntgr
quote:Yes. Aggravated arson/attempted murder trial.
Ever have jury duty?
quote:Yes, it was an honor.
Did u like it?
quote:Hell, no!
Was it boring?
quote:I was elected jury foreman by the other jurors.
Any good stories?
It took 10 of the 12 jurors to either convict or acquit. Final vote was 10-2, guilty. The defendant and victim were both black. Two black men on the jury both voted guilty. The only two women on the jury, both white, voted to acquit.
After the guilty verdict was read and the defendant led from the courtroom, the judge turned to us and told us this was the third time the defendant had been tried and found guilty of the same crime which was attempted murder of the defendant's landlord by setting the landlord's house on fire while he slept because the landlord demanded to paid past due rent.
The previous two convictions were thrown out on appeal due to procedural technicalities so this was another retrial which we didn't know was the case.
The judge then told us, which was also new information for us because they couldn't tell us during the trial, the defendant had already murdered one of his own children, a toddler, by setting the child on fire by pouring and igniting gasoline on the toddler while the child was asleep in his crib because the baby-mama refused to have sex with him.
The only witness to that crime was the baby-mama and she refused to testify against him because he told her if she did he would escape from prison and set all of her other children on fire, too. So he was never charged with murdering his own child for lack of other evidence.
One of the white women who voted to acquit broke down crying when the judge told us that. Stupid bitch.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 6:24 pm to NYNolaguy1
I know.
I actually made a concerted effort not to control the room, even when they named me foreman.
They made up their own minds. I just would have fought for unanimous as I'm obligated to do.
I actually made a concerted effort not to control the room, even when they named me foreman.
They made up their own minds. I just would have fought for unanimous as I'm obligated to do.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 7:53 pm to kjntgr
I was the foreman on a murder trial. I tried everything to get out of it.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 8:01 pm to kjntgr
I got summoned as soon as I turned 18, before I even finished high school. Got out of that one and the next two summons with excuses of school (high school, then college twice). I'm expecting my next summons will be soon
Posted on 4/3/17 at 8:05 pm to WPBTiger
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I have been summoned 3 or 4 times. Was on a jury once for a civil case. It wasn't bad, it was only a two day trial.
About the same here. Served on a civil jury once. Took an exemption the next time (for being within 2 years), since my car was in the shop. Three years after that I got called but didn't get picked because in was related to a potential witness.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 8:12 pm to Lazy But Talented
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Lazy But Talented
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First day of trial I fainted and pissed myself in the jury box. I got dismissed right after.
Username checks out.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 8:14 pm to Winston Cup
You were on a jury for a DUI case?
Posted on 4/3/17 at 11:38 pm to kjntgr
Got out of it a bunch of times but this last one they kept all but a few people.
Interesting to do it but took 3 weeks.
Kidnapping and sexual assault of two girls. Guy was caught in their apartment by the cops. Didn't seem like it needed to be tried but I guess the DA didn't offer him any deal. Ended up with three life sentences plus 60 years. Still mad I couldn't get the 4th life sentence. Sat down and one juror said he couldn't go more than 20 yrs total because he believed in redemption. Took a little time but got him to 3 life and 60 yrs. once he was there another guy decided he wanted the fourth life term and that was a deal breaker. Swayed back and forth a bit but best sales job ever to get those two to agree.
At sentencing they brought out evidence he tried to do the same thing several yrs before in his small hometown but wasn't prosecuted. He needs t not be on the streets for a long time..
Interesting stuff
Interesting to do it but took 3 weeks.
Kidnapping and sexual assault of two girls. Guy was caught in their apartment by the cops. Didn't seem like it needed to be tried but I guess the DA didn't offer him any deal. Ended up with three life sentences plus 60 years. Still mad I couldn't get the 4th life sentence. Sat down and one juror said he couldn't go more than 20 yrs total because he believed in redemption. Took a little time but got him to 3 life and 60 yrs. once he was there another guy decided he wanted the fourth life term and that was a deal breaker. Swayed back and forth a bit but best sales job ever to get those two to agree.
At sentencing they brought out evidence he tried to do the same thing several yrs before in his small hometown but wasn't prosecuted. He needs t not be on the streets for a long time..
Interesting stuff
Posted on 4/4/17 at 12:12 am to PrimeTime Money
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But nobody is going to put a lawyer or judge on a jury so they never actually serve on a jury. But they do get summoned.
IIRC US Dist. Judge Robbie James out of Monroe was summoned one time and had to pay a fine when his cell phone rang in the courtroom.
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