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re: Official Running Log/Marathon Training Thread

Posted on 3/6/24 at 8:56 am to
Posted by Pedro
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 8:56 am to
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the key is to live where there are no hills



thankfully we have enough incline variation that i can get some up and down movement on my runs but theres no good repeat hills super close to me.
Posted by BaddestAndvari
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 8:59 am to
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This intrigues me.


I don't know if you know Rhett Wheeler but he got it done. We are talking a 1:30 half marathoner who couldn't get over the 4:15 marathon hump. He went and got the analyst done and found out he was sweating out like 1,000mg of sodium an hour, ONE THOUSAND.

He has now changed up his nutrition strategy to basically sodium focused 200% and is doing LMNT drinks every hour. For him the sweat analysist was a game changer, for me I think it'll just be confirming what I already know but still want to confirm. (I'm pretty sure I need 130g of carbs an hour and about 250mg of sodium to be in a nice equilibrium)

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the key is to live where there are no hills


I hate them, I really do, but the way my legs feel today tells me I should be doing these more often. (I would probably stop doing them if I actually took the time to go to the gym twice and week and worked on my legs...)

P.S: A friend of mine looked at my "hill repeats" yesterday and comments, "you need to change your activity name to mountain repeats instead of hill repeats"
This post was edited on 3/6/24 at 9:03 am
Posted by Walter White Jr
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 10:32 am to
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I'm pretty sure I need 130g of carbs an hour


Not sure what kind of gels/nutrition you’re using, but if you haven’t tried them, check out SIS (Science in Sport) Beta Fuel. Each gel has 40g carbs. I’m 6’0” 185 lbs and these worked really well for my most recent marathon. Believe I consumed one 40g carb gel about every 30 mins.
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 10:37 am to
quote:

I don't know if you know Rhett Wheeler but he got it done. We are talking a 1:30 half marathoner who couldn't get over the 4:15 marathon hump. He went and got the analyst done and found out he was sweating out like 1,000mg of sodium an hour, ONE THOUSAND.

He has now changed up his nutrition strategy to basically sodium focused 200% and is doing LMNT drinks every hour. For him the sweat analysist was a game changer, for me I think it'll just be confirming what I already know but still want to confirm. (I'm pretty sure I need 130g of carbs an hour and about 250mg of sodium to be in a nice equilibrium)




I like the LMNT stuff. Is Samford the only place that does it? What's the cost and procedure?
Posted by BaddestAndvari
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Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:46 pm to
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Is Samford the only place that does it? What's the cost and procedure?


I have no clue, I only even know about it because I'm friends with Rhett.

I don't know cost, haven't reached out to them

Don't know the procedure, just know they do it (I haven't done it so no clue, I think they put you in a sweat room and make you run for an hour though?!)

Exercise Physiologist at Samford:
Courteney Benjamin
cbenjami@samford.edu
Posted by BaddestAndvari
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Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:48 pm to
So I did my "stretch out" 10 Miles today, and my 2 days of activity this week are:

7 Miles - 1,000 ft Elevation Gain
10 Miles - 700 ft Elevation Gain

The symmetry between the two made me geek out pretty big after the fact
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 10:36 pm to
I get about 1000’ every Thursday here in Cahaba Heights. Just about anything over three miles has about that in it. Hoping it pays off one day.
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 3/7/24 at 6:29 am to
My elevation gain for the whole week last week was 58 feet
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
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Posted on 3/7/24 at 8:48 am to
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My elevation gain for the whole week last week was 58 feet



the only way I get any elevation gain is if I run the bayou by my house. Even still thats not much

looking back at my marathon training, I had a few 35+ mile weeks with only 150-200 feet gained

what i lack in elevation i gain in 90% humidity and 80 degree mornings for 3 months
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 3/7/24 at 8:50 am to
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what i lack in elevation i gain in 90% humidity and 80 degree mornings for 3 months




Oh, we get that too.
Posted by Pedro
Geaux Hawks
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 3/7/24 at 10:30 am to
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7 Miles - 1,000 ft Elevation Gain
10 Miles - 700 ft Elevation Gain
damn son. Last week was a banner week for me elevation wise. over 65 miles i gained 800 ft.

May have to take a L today running wise. woke up at 5 AM and was staring a rain storm down so went back to sleep. next window to run is around 5:30 PM and the outlook looks the same. Oh whale.
Posted by vistajay
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/7/24 at 3:35 pm to
Will be running my first road race in years this Sunday, a 10k. I've run the Turkey Day every year but just messing around with family. Looking to break 50 minutes but at least get a seeded time for Crescent City Classic.
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 3/7/24 at 5:02 pm to
Just don't go out too hard. Good luck and post the results.
Posted by BaddestAndvari
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Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 3/7/24 at 5:33 pm to
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vistajay


Good luck to you!

Today's run was hard for me... 9 miles as marathon pace and it just about ended me. Glad this training block is done, 26 miles in 3 days, now onto 25 miles over the weekend
This post was edited on 3/7/24 at 7:50 pm
Posted by jordan21210
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Posted on 3/7/24 at 8:04 pm to
Which 10k you running?
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 3/7/24 at 9:57 pm to
7 miles at lactate threshold tonight, then pizza and beer. 700’ of climb and a blistering 12:00 pace.
Posted by BaddestAndvari
That Overweight Racist State
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 3/7/24 at 10:04 pm to
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vistajay


I also second what Aubie said, make sure to start out slow enough.

10k's are probably one of the hardest races in my opinion. It's just short enough that you can almost run at your 5k pace but you can't, and boy does that second 5k suuuuck.
Posted by benson32
Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 3/7/24 at 11:16 pm to
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7 miles at lactate threshold tonight, then pizza and beer. 700’ of climb and a blistering 12:00 pace.

LT should be zone 4. Somewhere between 10k and HM pace.
Posted by AmIDonut
Member since Jan 2022
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Posted on 3/8/24 at 7:16 am to
100’ of elevation change per mile will make a large difference to any training pace
Posted by ks_nola
Bozeman
Member since Sep 2015
503 posts
Posted on 3/8/24 at 10:53 am to
hills... what hills
this is profile of the hill in my backyard starting next month. We're moving to Bozeman. yes that's 2k gain in first 1.5 miles.



Good way to get better at running hills is to spend time on the treadmill. Simple as one run a week with incline set to 2-3% grade for the entire 5-7 mile run to start. I've got several different types of workouts we've used to mimic hills from when we lived in New Orleans and were training for mountain trail races. Some will say treadmill is too boring but these are typically based around 1hr and are effective. The trickier part for longer distance races with lots of hills is mimicking the downhill that will destroy your quads.
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