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re: Help me find information on my grandfathers WWII campaigns

Posted on 1/31/20 at 9:34 am to
Posted by brass2mouth
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 9:34 am to
You’re 100% he was at Normandy?

ETA look into the 79th infantry if it’s not the 87th or the 79th then I have no idea where your uncles got the 77th confused...lol
This post was edited on 1/31/20 at 9:43 am
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 9:39 am to
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His obituary says that he was in the army 77th but everything I’ve found on them is in the Pacific so I’m not sure that’s correct.


Yeah, this is likely incorrect, although we can't rule out definitively that he was assigned briefly to a unit with this designation either early in his service (perhaps a training unit designation) or while he was mustering out (this was a long process for many as the war wound down).

So, as you and others have pointed out - the 77th Division (a unit that still exists as the 77th Sustainment Brigade) was primarily involved in the Western Pacific. Your grandfather did not participate in combat with this unit at D-Day or in France/Belgium/Germany in 1944 or 1945.

The 77th Regiment (actually an Armor regiment) was involved in North Africa, Sicily and Italy, so, again, definitely not at D-Day, but was involved in the Battle of the Bulge (perhaps he was reassigned in the Fall of 1944?).

Omaha Beach itself was assaulted by V Corps, which was primarily the 1st and 29th Infantry Divisions and supported by elements of U.S. Army Rangers.

Now, neither of those divisions was involved in the encirclement of the German offensive, but regiments and RCTs were constantly being shifted around, so that isn't dispositive. And "participated" just means he was on the line during that time. Could have been relief, defensive positions stopping the Germans outside the pocket, what have you.

And certainly units on the line during that time started to liberate the Westernmost concentration camps during that time, so that all is consistent with Army experience in France, Belgium, Holland and Germany in 1944 and 1945.

Good luck with the search.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 9:50 am to
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Funny you mention that, he actually started his towns newspaper when he was in high school (small town in Pennsylvania).


Because of the Pennsylvania connection, I would be remiss if I did not mention the 28th Infantry Division - still a unit of the Army National Guard (it is the major command/combat unit of the Pennsylvania Army National Guard), a historic unit that traces its lineage back to Benjamin Franklin (the 111th Infantry Regiment is almost 300 years old) - this unit was federalized during WWII.

Now, it did not come to France in June, but rather July 1944 (D+ 7 weeks) and definitely participated in the breakout and was heavily involved in the Ardennes.

Is it possible your grandfather was in this national guard unit before the outbreak of hostilities?
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 9:54 am to
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Do you have a copy of his discharge papers? Did he ever file anything with the VA?



Does the VA allow the public to view those docs? Seems like they would fall under HIPPA provisions...
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 9:56 am to
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So I went to Fold3 and made a free trial account. I found his enlistment card as well as his fathers WWI draft card AND his fathers WWII "Old Man's Draft" card!

Awesome


holy shite, I'm creating an account right now...
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 10:01 am to
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account. I found his enlistment card as well as his fathers WWI draft card


I found my grandfather's WWI draft card somewhere on Ancestry.com. What a time to be alive...
Posted by Tiger1242
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 10:04 am to
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Omaha Beach itself was assaulted by V Corps, which was primarily the 1st and 29th Infantry Divisions and supported by elements of U.S. Army Rangers.

I looked briefly into the 29th earlier and saw they had an attachment of Engineers called the 121st that had some Pennsylvanians in their unit. I found their actions on Omaha but nothing past that, I wonder if he could've been with them and then reassigned?

I know he was an engineer responsible for radio, but at some point was handed a gun and had to fight, at least that's the family story. I wonder if this is him getting moved???
Posted by Tiger1242
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 10:08 am to
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Because of the Pennsylvania connection, I would be remiss if I did not mention the 28th Infantry Division - still a unit of the Army National Guard (it is the major command/combat unit of the Pennsylvania Army National Guard), a historic unit that traces its lineage back to Benjamin Franklin (the 111th Infantry Regiment is almost 300 years old) - this unit was federalized during WWII.

Now, it did not come to France in June, but rather July 1944 (D+ 7 weeks) and definitely participated in the breakout and was heavily involved in the Ardennes.

Is it possible your grandfather was in this national guard unit before the outbreak of hostilities?

No I don't think he was ever in the National Guard, at least not that I know of. And I am pretty distinctly certain he was on a ship on Normandy beach for D-Day so +7 weeks seems too long. My mom says he was on the ship for the first day, and on the beach the 2nd day (which is when he was handed a gun). Now her timeline could be off but I doubt it is 7 weeks off...

There is also a story of him filling out a false enlistment card at the age of 16 (lying to say he was 18), but this would have been in 1939, he was born in 1923. So I guess it is possible he joined up with the 28th in 1939 and then a different unit later on???
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 10:14 am to
Being that his grandfather was in an engineer battalion, there’s a chance he wasn’t part of any field division. He could have been at a corps or even army level battalion.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 10:24 am to
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He could have been at a corps or even army level battalion.


I'm starting to think that as well. Being part of a V Corps asset would answer lots of questions.

The beach was secure at the end of "The Longest Day", but then there was all that anxiety about when/where/how would the Germans counterattack - so by D+1 they were bringing onshore everyone close to put as many bodies as they could in the way of the expected German response.

It really stands out if an Engineer unit is under an Army (Patton's 280th ECB for example), but lots of engineer units under the Corps - especially as the war went on and the upper echelons became flush with troops. The American corps in Western Europe had almost 2 dozen engineer battalions between them by the end of 1944.

This post was edited on 1/31/20 at 10:26 am
Posted by GhostofLesticleMiles
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 10:26 am to
TIGER,

Do not pay any money to get any of this info.Go to your US House Rep or Senator's office and fill out a privacy release and provide any and all details on your grandfather. Simply state on the form you are requesting a copy of his DD214 and all obtainable military records, medals, commendations etc. They will obtain all of this for you free of charge. They should have a case worker that handles specifically veterans affairs.
Posted by KiwiHead
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 10:36 am to
Are we talking division or batallion. I don' think the US had a 77Th Army Corps.

US had 36 Official Army Corps in WWII , two of which were phantom groups. So 77th is going to be harder to find due to this.

Good luck tracking it down
Posted by SE TX TIGER
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 10:54 am to
Not to horn in on your thread, but I've been interested in finding some info on my grandfather's service as well. He died when I was 10, so I don't know much. We have a picture of him during this time and it just says, "somewhere in France." His gravestone says Company A 2nd Signal Battalion.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 10:56 am to
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Company A 2nd Signal Battalion.


The Big Red One.

(This is also my combat service identifier)

Posted by SE TX TIGER
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 11:10 am to
Awesome. I had to google The Big Red One, and it actually gave me some insight. Thanks for the response
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 11:22 am to
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The first link is a pdf of a US army publication. The second link is the Wikipedia page for US Army Combat Engineer Battalions.
Good luck!


A family friend was trained as a combat engineer but sent to an infantry battalion because of a manpower shortage. That stuff could be pretty fluid once you got in theatre. Don't be reluctant to look elsewhere if his name doesn't come up.
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
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Posted on 2/1/20 at 11:00 pm to
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Something like 75% of US Army personnel records for people who served in the first half of the 20th century were destroyed in a fire back in the 70s.


This is where I dead ended when researching my grandfather’s ww2 history.
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