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re: Question for CDC, but doctors are welcome to answer.
Posted on 8/22/21 at 1:00 pm to Gaspergou202
Posted on 8/22/21 at 1:00 pm to Gaspergou202
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Can he really prescribe Ivermectin for the WuFlu without endangering his medical license??? It would appear that the State of Louisiana, the AMA, and the CDC, not to mention the MSM are extremely antagonistic towards this to say the least!
Yes they can. I know of a situation where a physician was using it, and with great efficacy, and a local corporate clinic is here town filed a complaint with the HD and medical board. She was cleared of any allegations and they were excoriated and possibly fined for filing a frivolous complaint. She is now suing them for defamation and a few other things.
If dosed appropriately, it's safe. That's not up for discussion or debate. Whether or not it works? I've seen plenty of evidence that it along with HCQ, zinc, D3, and vit C has worked seeming miracles on pt's I've given it to. And since late December, the monoclonal antibodies.
Remdesivir? At best is no better than placebo and IMO seems to make things worse. Definitely seems to cause pulmonary edema. Recent VA study showed 2% higher mortality than placebo. ZERO evidence it does jack shite. Evidence that it may in fact worsen COVID symptoms. Expensive, yet it can be used with no restrictions or concerns. 'Splain that! I have yet to see even a single pro-vax, anti HCQ/Ivermectin etc. proponent even bother to promote the shite.
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Posted on 8/22/21 at 1:00 pm to SmackoverHawg
Well, I had a Walgreen's pharmacist tell me yesterday that before he would fill my Ivermwctin script he would need to talk ear to ear to the doctor who wrote it for an ON LABEL use. I asked him if he called every opiod script to ask if the person was actually in severe enoigh pain to take it? He ignored the question and said a call would be made to fill. Thank God Walmart filled it.
Pharmacists are obviously part of the resistance.
Pharmacists are obviously part of the resistance.
Posted on 8/22/21 at 1:01 pm to Tiger985
I’m with you if you can attached a study from a research hospital, or peer reviewed journal (JAMA, NEJM etc) that shows effectiveness against COVID in humans. Anyone can do a study and publish it but that does not make it usable in the practice of medicine.
Posted on 8/22/21 at 1:01 pm to Gaspergou202
Posted on 8/22/21 at 1:02 pm to smh4wg
quote:You're talking weight of the paste/carrier, not ivermectin
So 1 gram per dose?
Now ya'll make fun of my math.
Posted on 8/22/21 at 1:04 pm to smh4wg
I think the paste is one click for every 50 pounds..dont hold me to that though. I am sure people who don't do math or read well are overdosing on the regular
Posted on 8/22/21 at 1:04 pm to Gaspergou202
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but doctors are welcome to answer.
Board doctors....or bored doctors?
Posted on 8/22/21 at 1:09 pm to Tiguar
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antibody infusion a
This does work. I am amazed at how many physicians don't even know wtf it is!! And others must avoid it because of paperwork or not understanding it. I have seen it work miracles. I'll give people the order form and fax it while their results are pending so they can start it without delay. My dad missed it being available by about a week. I was still on quarantine and making sure people were getting it. Makes me sick that they delayed it's use and dad missed it by just a few days. There will be a reckoning. That I can guarantee.
Many people are dying and being hospitalized because they had delayed diagnosis and weren't given effective, available treatments before hand. And many more from lack of diagnosing/treating secondary issues such as infections, thrombotic events, reactive airway disease and other primary issues that may be totally unrelated. It's like you get COVID and they forget about everything else.
Posted on 8/22/21 at 1:09 pm to Tigahs24Seven
quote:Some are. Some get their rocks off questioning and refusing Doctors Orders, and this is an opportunity. But most are just doing what they're told to keep their jobs.
Pharmacists are obviously part of the resistance.
Posted on 8/22/21 at 1:10 pm to Tiguar
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Giving it to multiple patients at various stages of illness with no improvement.
No reputable studies demonstrating efficacy.
If the studies that existed were remotely accurate, I would have seen it work.
Fwiw I also think remdesivir does basically jack shite- it's an expensive placebo.
Your experience is that it doesn't work means it doesn't work? What about all the others that swear it helped them?
Reputable studies,? Who would do these studies? Drug companies that will lose billions if it did work?
Posted on 8/22/21 at 1:10 pm to Captain9905
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I’m with you if you can attached a study from a research hospital, or peer reviewed journal (JAMA, NEJM etc) that shows effectiveness against COVID in humans. Anyone can do a study and publish it but that does not make it usable in the practice of medicine.
Why do you discount the clinical experience of physicians in the field treating their patients?
Many outstanding doctors with accomplished careers who have basically risked the destruction of those careers by speaking out in favor of a treatment that is helping some patients.
Do the studies, the research but we both know it takes time.
Ivermectin is a safe nobel prize winning drug that has been given out across the globe to old, young, and pregnant.
Hundreds if not thousands of drugs are effective off label. This is very common in the practice of good medicine.
Why the hysteria about ivermectin and hydroxy which is sold over the counter in much of the world?
This post was edited on 8/22/21 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 8/22/21 at 1:11 pm to Tiguar
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Giving it to multiple patients at various stages of illness with no improvement.
So you are an MD? You can prescribe?
What exactly were the tx protocols that failed?
Posted on 8/22/21 at 1:13 pm to NC_Tigah
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I cannot understand why, in lieu of other early interventions, there is opposition to Ivermectin.
If there’s an answer besides $$$ I haven’t heard it.
Posted on 8/22/21 at 1:14 pm to Tiguar
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Because Narcan works and ivermectin doesn’t.
Depends on the stage of COVID infection. The earlier the better. NIH even says ivermectin binds to the ACE II which the virus needs to get past the cell membrane.
Ivermectin Docks to the SARS-CoV-2 Spike Receptor-binding Domain Attached to ACE2
Posted on 8/22/21 at 1:15 pm to Tigahs24Seven
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Well, I had a Walgreen's pharmacist tell me yesterday that before he would fill my Ivermwctin script he would need to talk ear to ear to the doctor who wrote it for an ON LABEL use. I asked him if he called every opiod script to ask if the person was actually in severe enoigh pain to take it? He ignored the question and said a call would be made to fill. Thank God Walmart filled it.
Pharmacists are obviously part of the resistance.
They fricking know better here. They can refuse to fill it, but I can write it for any mf'ing thing I want to. They fill off label use meds every damn day. I tell people not to go to a chain. If they do, I'm not taking a call or explaining shite. I fricking HATE Walgreen's. In defense of the pharmacists, this is usually some corporate policy that they have to follow. They also lose money on just about every rx of it, so that's probably the real reason. They got fined like $80million for building shitty little half-assed stores across from pill mills around the country. If anyone thinks Walmart, Walgreens, CVS etc. has your best interest at heart, you are a fricking idiot and deserve their shitty care and prices.Posted on 8/22/21 at 1:16 pm to Tiguar
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If the studies that existed were remotely accurate, I would have seen it work.
Damn, how many patients did you give Ivermectin to that died?
Posted on 8/22/21 at 1:19 pm to novabill
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Your experience is that it doesn't work means it doesn't work? What about all the others that swear it helped them?
Reputable studies,? Who would do these studies? Drug companies that will lose billions if it did work?
I think just about everyone agrees remdesivir doesn't work.
Posted on 8/22/21 at 1:21 pm to SmackoverHawg
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If anyone thinks Walmart, Walgreens, CVS etc. has your best interest at heart, you are a fricking idiot and deserve their shitty care and prices.
What are better alternatives?
Posted on 8/22/21 at 1:24 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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I think just about everyone agrees remdesivir doesn't work.
But they are still doing it all over....3-5k for shite.
My wife's step mom, hospitalized last month was all excited because they were giving her remdisivir.
Had to tell my wife that they just getting remdisivir on the bill, it's not going to help and they know it.
Thankfully she recovered anyway but it wasn't the remdisivir.
Posted on 8/22/21 at 1:27 pm to novabill
quote:No one really knows. If it is effective, it is effective chiefly in earliest stages when coincidently no other intervention is being tried. So it isn't like ivermectin would displace some known effective treatment course.
Your experience is that it doesn't work means it doesn't work? What about all the others that swear it helped them?
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