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re: 1600 Acre Solar Farm coming to St. Landry Parish
Posted on 4/25/23 at 11:45 am to Korkstand
Posted on 4/25/23 at 11:45 am to Korkstand
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You seem to want to go backwards, wanting more jobs and more man-hours spent toiling away to produce the basic necessities of life. It doesn't make any sense. Do you want farmers to trash their modern equipment so we can create more jobs working the land?
Where did I say anything like that? I'm fine with modern farming practices. Its what makes us so incredibly efficient and capable of feeding ourselves and the world.
You seem to be very willing to sacrifice that. I'm not.
from your earlier reply:
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Creating things of value.
so you don't think farmers (or energy producers) create anything of value?
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Posted on 4/25/23 at 11:51 am to bad93ex
They get hot with the sun beating down on them, but they do not generate it. I linked an article to the solar parking covering at the conference center in Puerto Rico. It was only about 30% complete when I was there, but parked there everyday for 5 months. We all tried to get there early so we could park under them.
Someone talked about hurricane damage. I have seen one site that used some flimsy hardware on a remote island that had some damage, but most of what I have seen had very little damage.. Again, we do not install on roofs anymore so ours are probably a little more secured.
Someone talked about hurricane damage. I have seen one site that used some flimsy hardware on a remote island that had some damage, but most of what I have seen had very little damage.. Again, we do not install on roofs anymore so ours are probably a little more secured.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 11:53 am to TimeOutdoors
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They get hot with the sun beating down on them, but they do not generate it.
Yeah thats what I am referring to with the heat issue but I guess if you had them up high enough it shouldn't be too bad.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 11:56 am to bad93ex
quote:Are you suggesting that they emit more energy than they absorb?
Don't panels emit a shite ton of heat?
Posted on 4/25/23 at 12:02 pm to Wraytex
Where is the Gonzales one supposed to be?
This post was edited on 4/25/23 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 4/25/23 at 12:04 pm to alphaandomega
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After the next hurricane that will be scattered over thousands of square miles.
Only if it's built by morons who don't adhere to local wind codes. Properly built systems have very few issues with even the strongest hurricanes.
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Nuclear is a better way to go but the greenies would never allow it.
Biden just subsidized it.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 12:14 pm to frequent flyer
Bingo plus after they “cleanup” the land when they are done with the lease that land will be useless. You won’t be able to put back into farm land the land will be ruined
Posted on 4/25/23 at 12:15 pm to Korkstand
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Are you suggesting that they emit more energy than they absorb?
No, that would be silly but they are hot to the touch and can cause "heat islands"
Heat Islands
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Findings demonstrated that temperatures around a solar power plant were 5.4-7.2 °F (3-4 °C) warmer than nearby wildlands.
That is a solar farm in the wild but I am wondering what would it feel like under one in a parking lot.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 12:16 pm to tigerinthebueche
quote:You always bitch about how few jobs solar requires.
Where did I say anything like that?
quote:Hey great. Now apply what you think of ag farms and apply it to solar farms. It's right there in the name, solar farms. All power plants are energy farms. Farming what we need with a minimum of manpower is the goal.
I'm fine with modern farming practices. Its what makes us so incredibly efficient and capable of feeding ourselves and the world.
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You seem to be very willing to sacrifice that. I'm not.
Just making shite up.
quote:Well sure, but we only need a certain amount of these things. And the only way to continue advancing civilization is to produce the required quantities with a minimum of man-hours. Again, this is just basic productivity and efficiency.
so you don't think farmers (or energy producers) create anything of value?
The ag farmer invests in equipment which minimizes the manpower required for a given amount of production. Likewise the energy farmer should invest in equipment which minimizes the manpower required for a given amount of production.
Wanting more energy jobs is asking for higher energy prices just like wanting more ag jobs is asking for higher food prices.
So back to the point of creating things of value. What percentage of your income do you want to spend on food? 10%? 50%? 100%? The less the better, right? Because you eat it and then it's gone. You have lived another day. If you spend 100% of your income on food, then you have 0% left to invest in things of value that accumulate wealth. If you spend only 10% on food, that leaves 90% to invest in things of value to grow your wealth. Energy is the same, we pay for it, use it, and it's gone. The cheaper it is, the better for the growth of wealth.
And we all know that time is money, and the same logic applies. How much of your time do you want to spend acquiring food? How much acquiring energy? The less the better. And this applies at the societal and individual level the same. How much of our total time should we devote to acquiring food and energy vs. time devoted to putting that food/energy to work building things and creating value?
Posted on 4/25/23 at 12:19 pm to ThunderCats
"Where is the Gonzales one supposed to be?"
The Texas Gonzales first off.....
I-10 south of Harwood, just learned there are two, one 2000 acre one that is Duke energy- 187 MW with 30 MW battery backup and a 1400 Acre 120 MW same area by Apex with no battery backup, that one has a grid tie in station about 3/4 mile from our place.
SA Business Journal - Gonzales Solar Farms
The Texas Gonzales first off.....
I-10 south of Harwood, just learned there are two, one 2000 acre one that is Duke energy- 187 MW with 30 MW battery backup and a 1400 Acre 120 MW same area by Apex with no battery backup, that one has a grid tie in station about 3/4 mile from our place.
SA Business Journal - Gonzales Solar Farms
This post was edited on 4/25/23 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 4/25/23 at 12:22 pm to bad93ex
Heat islands are a thing, and solar panels covering what would otherwise be wooded or ag land can certainly create one. Again, I am against solar farms in these areas.
But we are talking about covering parking lots with panels. Parking lots themselves create heat islands, I can't imagine making shade over them with solar panels could be much worse. Solar panels keep attic spaces cooler than without.
But we are talking about covering parking lots with panels. Parking lots themselves create heat islands, I can't imagine making shade over them with solar panels could be much worse. Solar panels keep attic spaces cooler than without.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 12:25 pm to Korkstand
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But we are talking about covering parking lots with panels. Parking lots themselves create heat islands, I can't imagine making shade over them with solar panels could be much worse. Solar panels keep attic spaces cooler than without.
Yeah, I was trying to find some data if the parking lots are cooler, same or warmer once they are covered with solar panels but didn't find anything concrete outside of that they are far more expensive to build over a parking lot.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 12:28 pm to Korkstand
Solar panels on existing rooftops / structures doesn't give me NEARLY the heartburn that solar farms do
Posted on 4/25/23 at 12:28 pm to member12
Tell’um to call me. I’ve got 400 acres in so Louisiana I’ll lease for $1200 per month for 25 years.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 12:28 pm to Korkstand
Farmland should never be taken for solar. There's hundreds of miles of flat rooftops in every major metro area that would kill a couple birds in one shot, shading the building and lowering cooling costs, no infrastructure to transmit back to the grid, and no crony/tax bs with the local politicians. Even a dead abandoned solar panel (there's going to be millions of them) will continue to shade a building long after the failure date.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 12:30 pm to bad93ex
quote:ISWYDT
I was trying to find some data if the parking lots are cooler, same or warmer once they are covered with solar panels but didn't find anything concrete
Posted on 4/25/23 at 12:31 pm to billjamin
What about the accepted design considerations of the local wind code? I always thought it was odd pile design for these trackers were for Risk Category 1. One would think that if we plan on using these solar farms for dedicated power generation the Risk category should be bumped to at least 2/3 to mitigate uprooting parts of the block at least in hurricane risk areas. From a developers point of view I know why, the upsizing of piles, torque tube, and mounting would be too costly.
This post was edited on 4/25/23 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 4/25/23 at 12:31 pm to dgnx6
Climate change is a hoax. Or at least in the respect we can do anything about it. I'm referring to the Second Coming of Christ.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 12:33 pm to bad93ex
Cooler. The metal gets hot from the sun beaming down on it, but it is not radiating heat to the items under it. Basically the panels are preventing your car from reaching that temperature. Park your car in the direct sun and then go park it in the shade. That is the difference.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 12:37 pm to member12
If they can flood it in the spring for crawfish, there’s enough room.
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