re: SCOTUS poised to overturn ruling that declares homeless encampments a legal right

Posted by Sidicous

Middle of Nowhere

Member since Aug 2015

17310 posts

Posted on 4/22/24 at 7:02 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!

Government at all levels has a duty to the people to provide a foundation of safety. This includes provisions for septic, waste, and fire prevention. Municipalities cannot do so with variables that mobile tent camps popping up wherever and whenever bring.

Posted by SirWinston

PNW

Member since Jul 2014

82523 posts

Posted on 4/22/24 at 7:03 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!

Lets heckin go! Portland and Los Angeles look way better this year and I'm about to check out San Francisco in a few weeks.

Posted by Antonio Moss

Baton Rouge

Member since Mar 2006

48338 posts

Posted on 4/22/24 at 7:05 pm to BRbornandraised

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There wouldnt be a need for that if the state provided an area for them away from the general public or provide funding to shelters. Im fine with raising my taxes to fund more shelters and mental hospitals.

Homeless crack addicts aren’t going to stay in government shelters.

I appreciate your empathy but it only compounds the problem.

Posted by bountyhunter

North of Houston a bit

Member since Mar 2012

6342 posts

Posted on 4/22/24 at 7:08 pm to BRbornandraised

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Imagine being put in jail because you can't afford a home and there is no shelter to house you. Essentially putting people in jail for being poor. I get that alot of those people are drug addicts and the undesirables of society but they are also also of good people down on their luck or who went through the broken foster care system.

Homelessness is a symptom of societal rot at the core. Disintegrating familial structure and the decline of human morality over the last 60 years has sent this country into a tailspin that it will never recover.

I'm inclined to agree with you that broken systems haven't done much to alleviate the symptoms, but you are still dealing with an unsustainable problem that will only get worse.

You also need to acknowledge homelessness among military veterans. I have a fair amount of investment real estate with 50 units. Back in 2005 I took in a Katrina refuge homeless man that was an Army vet. The level of disregard by the military towards traumatized soldiers is appalling and is a direct result of our tax dollars fueling conflict all over the world.

It took 2 years for him to work through his issues (alcohol/drug abuse) to the point that he could hold a steady job. He has a family now and his own home.

This kind of situation is so common now that we've all become desensitized to it.

This post was edited on 4/22/24 at 7:12 pm

Posted by kywildcatfanone

Wildcat Country!

Member since Oct 2012

119622 posts

Posted on 4/22/24 at 7:09 pm to bountyhunter

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Homelessness is a symptom of societal rot at the core. Disintegrating familial structure and the decline of human morality over the last 60 years has sent this country into a tailspin that it will never recover.

Democrats plan since LBJ is working well.

Posted by NoSaint

Member since Jun 2011

11325 posts

Posted on 4/22/24 at 7:10 pm to Antonio Moss

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Homeless crack addicts aren’t going to stay in government shelters. I appreciate your empathy but it only compounds the problem.

Then arrest them for crack possession, or theft or a variety of crimes more substantial

If we don’t have mental health facilities or a viable shelter what’s the end game to petty arrests over loitering and the like? Run up fines they can’t pay, for expensive jail stays instead of providing some sort of services?

Posted by brass2mouth

NOLA

Member since Jul 2007

19723 posts

Posted on 4/22/24 at 7:13 pm to teke184

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Shelters won’t let you in if you are under the influence of drugs and/or alcohol.

Which is the root of all this. They don’t want to have rules to follow.

Posted by Darth_Vader

A galaxy far, far away

Member since Dec 2011

64908 posts

Posted on 4/22/24 at 7:40 pm to BRbornandraised

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You don’t want your taxes going to any government handouts?

Did I stutter?

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So you are against Medicaid, Medicare, Unemployment benefits, Social Security, and all the other social safety nets that help pevent… homelessness. What about TOPS, government subsidies for farming, government subsidies for auto makers which keeps jobs in America?

What part of “I’m against all forms of govt charity” are you not understanding?

And while I’m at it, I’m also against the government doing much more than running foreign affairs, national defense, and delivering the mail.

This post was edited on 4/22/24 at 7:43 pm

Posted by BurlesonCountyAg

Member since Jan 2014

3006 posts

Posted on 4/22/24 at 7:45 pm to BRbornandraised

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There wouldnt be a need for that if the state provided an area for them away from the general public or provide funding to shelters. Im fine with raising my taxes to fund more shelters and mental hospitals.

Maybe you should pay extra taxes, but I bet you don’t. In fact, I bet you have a CPA do your taxes in order to minimize your tax bill.

Posted by TN Tygah

Member since Nov 2023

2119 posts

Posted on 4/22/24 at 7:52 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!

Cracking down on that after foolishly making it a thing in the first place, making drugs illegal in Portland again, are we noticing a trend?

Posted by CaptSpaulding

Member since Feb 2012

6529 posts

Posted on 4/22/24 at 7:55 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!

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but has no shelter able to accommodate the hundreds of homeless people who live within its limits.

If you don’t have a residence in the city, do you really “live” there?

Posted by gizmothepug

Louisiana

Member since Apr 2015

6650 posts

Posted on 4/22/24 at 7:55 pm to BRbornandraised

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My family did just that for a family member when they were homeless during Katrina.

Almost 19 years ago? I don’t think that qualifies as just did that. Someone losing everything because of a hurricane isn’t quite the same. It just hit me it was probably a troll post, either way I’m still posting.

Posted by lsutiger266

BR, LA

Member since Aug 2012

19 posts

Posted on 4/22/24 at 8:01 pm to BRbornandraised

Have you ever walked through a homeless camp? I’ve walked through a few and the amount of needles, soiled diapers, and filth I saw was mind blowing. And the diapers weren’t infant diapers…
I have some family members through my wife’s family that have serious mental health issues and I get that side of homelessness but at a certain point homelessness is a culmination of poor decisions. The people who are homeless that actually want to take advantage of programs that are available to them will find a way out. Those programs are great and should be encouraged.

In regards to land for them to camp on, where does this land come from? I don’t think jail is the best option but the majority of homeless I’ve encountered use any money they get on either drugs or blow their money on lottery tickets.

Just tonight I was at a gas station and the homeless man that I see there regularly spent over $40 on lottery tickets. If a homeless person asks me for food I would have a hard time turning them down.. if a homeless person asks me for money there is no way I’m giving them a penny.

Posted by BRbornandraised

Baton Rouge, LA

Member since Jun 2013

541 posts

Posted on 4/22/24 at 8:09 pm to Darth_Vader

Lol man you almost had me. I thought you might be serious but no way you are against government providing road infrastructure, navigable waterway/levee protection, port infrastructure, but are all for…. Government providing the mail? this has been fun