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re: KOC: League sources "expect" Pelicans to be aggressive in trade market

Posted on 5/2/24 at 9:17 am to
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61595 posts
Posted on 5/2/24 at 9:17 am to
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Ima keep posting this until it happens or I get let down. The latter more probable.


I know there are some Klutch and personality red flags around Murray, but the more I look at him and his potential fit, he just seems like the guy to go after.

- Your defense and rebounding immediately improve. Swapping Trey for BI is probably a wash in defense/rebounding, maybe a slight edge to Trey with his upward trajectory. Murray's advanced stats say he's a near Josh Hart level rebounder, or at least he was with the Spurs, and he's also a big upgrade over CJ as a defender.
- Your 3 point shooting is in theory an upgrade. You will miss CJ's movement and self creation but Trey is just as prolific as CJ with 3s. Murray is an upgrade over BI in that he actually takes and makes 3s at a good enough volume.
- Your ball handling and creation improve as Murray has been an All Star level PG. His last season with the Spurs he averaged 9.2 assists and 2.6 turnovers while scoring 21 points per game.
- He's on a fair contract for a player of his caliber.

This post was edited on 5/2/24 at 9:22 am
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
96544 posts
Posted on 5/2/24 at 9:32 am to
My question with regards to Murray is more a Hawks question of “How distressed an asset is he?”


They have painted themselves into a corner with Trey as their star and they have a ton of money tied up in Capela and Bogdonovic who likely aren’t in their long term plans. They also have shite in draft assets due to the Murray trade.

Hawks’ 1st round pics owed -

2025 - Spurs
2026 - Swap w Spurs
2027 - Spurs


They get a first from the Kings in either 2025 or 2026 depending on draft order.

They own their own picks outright, no swap, for 2028-2030.



If they want CJ for Murray, they would have to throw in another $15m+ in ballast (probably Capela with additional money from us going back) plus us sending picks to them.

Theoretically, we can offer them this year’s pick and possibly the Laker pick (17 this year OR unprotected for 2025) if we want to move picks rather than young prospects like Dyson.


It comes down to how much help Murray would be as a true point, how much other pieces coming in, like Capela, would be in solving other problems, and the path that leaves us going forward in the draft and free agency to patch any remaining holes.



This assumes a lineup going forward of Murray, Trey, Herb, Zion, and either JV or Capela with key subs being GTA, Dyson, Hawkins, and a big.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25866 posts
Posted on 5/2/24 at 9:43 am to
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I know there are some Klutch and personality red flags around Murray, but the more I look at him and his potential fit, he just seems like the guy to go after.




100% agree he should be a big target of ours, and I think ATL would be ecstatic to get BI for him.

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and he's also a big upgrade over CJ as a defender.


Murray had more deflections this year than Herb. He was one of the top in the league at it. And you mentioned his rebounding. It's why i keep saying we need to go after Tobias Harris. Murray and Herb are good rebounders, Trey and Tobias with their length are really good rebounders, and if Zion gives the effort he can be really good rebounder. If all 5 simply give the effort to team rebound, they can close games with that small lineup, even though i don't htink it's that small. Murray and Herb have big wingspans and Trey and Tobias are both around 6'9" with Tobias having some weight to him to handle bigger guys.

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- Your ball handling and creation improve as Murray has been an All Star level PG. His last season with the Spurs he averaged 9.2 assists and 2.6 turnovers while scoring 21 points per game.



And that's what's needed if you lose BI. You have to get a PG back that can create on his own and get his own shot off, and Murray can do that.
No more BI and Zion playing PG.

Posted by Balsamic_duck
Member since Jun 2017
3204 posts
Posted on 5/2/24 at 9:44 am to
quote:


quote:
Ima keep posting this until it happens or I get let down. The latter more probable.


I know there are some Klutch and personality red flags around Murray, but the more I look at him and his potential fit, he just seems like the guy to go after.

- Your defense and rebounding immediately improve. Swapping Trey for BI is probably a wash in defense/rebounding, maybe a slight edge to Trey with his upward trajectory. Murray's advanced stats say he's a near Josh Hart level rebounder, or at least he was with the Spurs, and he's also a big upgrade over CJ as a defender.
- Your 3 point shooting is in theory an upgrade. You will miss CJ's movement and self creation but Trey is just as prolific as CJ with 3s. Murray is an upgrade over BI in that he actually takes and makes 3s at a good enough volume.
- Your ball handling and creation improve as Murray has been an All Star level PG. His last season with the Spurs he averaged 9.2 assists and 2.6 turnovers while scoring 21 points per game.
- He's on a fair contract for a player of his caliber.


We can't keep being afraid of Klutch either. They're one of the biggest agencies. Part of a GMs job is to have relationships with agencies. Time for Griff to mend that relationship.
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