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re: Who should the main target be?
Posted on 5/14/24 at 12:41 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
Posted on 5/14/24 at 12:41 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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That's not how it works. He's a borderline reclamation project as a star at this point. If he doesn't work out here, his value is going to be tanked.
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Posted on 5/14/24 at 12:42 pm to Baron
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Im also not going to act like he’s not a talented passer, he absolutely is. But he he’s not a connective passer. What I mean is, he doesn’t get those “hockey assists” by moving the ball within a system. He will rack up assists because he doesn’t pass the ball unless it’s a pass that can get him an assist.
This is what I was trying to say earlier
Posted on 5/14/24 at 12:44 pm to Baron
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Specifically, do you like point-Zion? Because if you think BI hated point-Zion, wait until we get Trae Young on the team.
Just run point Zion when Trae goes to the bench against 2nd teams. We don’t have to get rid of it entirely.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 12:50 pm to supe12sta12z
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He's going to take a damn near star package to land him. T
frick that
Posted on 5/14/24 at 12:57 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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He is as tarnished as, if not more than, Brandon Ingram at this point. H
There is no way anyone can convince me Trae has more value than BI.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 12:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
Is this a "should" vs "does" debate?
Because I don't think Trae SHOULD have that much value, but I think he DOES have more value than BI.
One thing that surprised the hell out of me once we started looking at BI trades, is how mediocre a 3 point shooter Trae is. I thought he was elite there or something, and he really is not at all.
Because I don't think Trae SHOULD have that much value, but I think he DOES have more value than BI.
One thing that surprised the hell out of me once we started looking at BI trades, is how mediocre a 3 point shooter Trae is. I thought he was elite there or something, and he really is not at all.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 1:00 pm to Townedrunkard
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Just run point Zion when Trae goes to the bench against 2nd teams. We don’t have to get rid of it entirely.
Sure, but you also want Trae and Zion to play together. So what is that, 8 minutes a game at most? Less in the playoffs? That’s what I mean by overlapping strengths. I just don’t think his fit on this team is worth the acquisition costs is all
Posted on 5/14/24 at 1:09 pm to TigerinATL
I am so torn about Trae. I see him as the perfect fit with Zion and Murphy. He and Zion have the opposite gravitational effect on defenses- Zion pulls defenders into the post and Trae stretches defenders past the 3 pt line with his range. Murphy would have lots of open looks.
The negatives, of course, are his defensive ability and is NO not glamorous enough for him. Could Herb and Traes offense offset his poor defensive ability? Would he bail on NO after a year or two to go to Miami, Lakers, Clippers, Boston, etc?
The negatives, of course, are his defensive ability and is NO not glamorous enough for him. Could Herb and Traes offense offset his poor defensive ability? Would he bail on NO after a year or two to go to Miami, Lakers, Clippers, Boston, etc?
Posted on 5/14/24 at 1:10 pm to Fun Bunch
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One thing that surprised the hell out of me once we started looking at BI trades, is how mediocre a 3 point shooter Trae is. I thought he was elite there or something, and he really is not at all.
It boggles the mind.
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Because I don't think Trae SHOULD have that much value, but I think he DOES have more value than BI.
I don't know. NBA teams are pretty smart these days. Now in the mid-00s? No doubt Trae would go for more
Posted on 5/14/24 at 1:12 pm to NewBeginnings
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is NO not glamorous enough for him
I mean he's in ATL.
I think Trae will be happy wherever the team universe revolves around Trae
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Would he bail on NO after a year or two to go to Miami, Lakers, Clippers, Boston, etc?
Posted on 5/14/24 at 1:13 pm to Fun Bunch
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One thing that surprised the hell out of me once we started looking at BI trades, is how mediocre a 3 point shooter Trae is. I thought he was elite there or something, and he really is not at all.
But he shoots a lot of them so it’s ok……right. Just shoot more 3’s.
He does take a lot of dumb threes, much like BI taking a lot of dumb mid range shots. It’s what happens late in the shot clock and someone has to shoot the ball.
Thing with Trae is he gets to the free throw line at will and makes his free throws, which is why his TS% is higher than BI but his eFG is slightly lower. If BI got to the line more he’d be a much more efficient player. But he doesn’t have to get fouled to make shots in the mid range like Trae does.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 1:14 pm to Baron
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Sure, but you also want Trae and Zion to play together. So what is that, 8 minutes a game at most? Less in the playoffs? That’s what I mean by overlapping strengths. I just don’t think his fit on this team is worth the acquisition costs is all
I’m not sure what you’re saying. Just because both like to handle the ball doesn’t mean they have overlapping strengths. Instead I would argue that Trae is a 3 pt shooter and Zion is paint scorer. I mean they’re a really good match.
You’re also under assumption Trae will be like BI and not like Zion ball? I don’t know why you’re assuming that?
Posted on 5/14/24 at 1:22 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Instead I would argue that Trae is a 3 pt shooter and Zion is paint scorer.
Both are primary ballhandlers.
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You’re also under assumption Trae will be like BI and not like Zion ball? I don’t know why you’re assuming that?
You mean like his attitude? See: ATL, if so
Posted on 5/14/24 at 1:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Both are primary ballhandlers.
I don’t necessarily think this is a negative overlapping trait.
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You mean like his attitude? See: ATL, if so
How does this equate to him not wanting Zion to play point? Did he specifically not want to play off ball in ATL and was this an issue there?
Posted on 5/14/24 at 1:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
Stories are out claiming Trae wants the Lakers or Clip Show.
That does not inspire confidence given the money owed to him.
That does not inspire confidence given the money owed to him.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 1:34 pm to teke184
He can want that, but I can't see either wanting Trae, or especially a winning team like Boston 
Posted on 5/14/24 at 1:37 pm to Pels_Yaz
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I don’t necessarily think this is a negative overlapping trait.
I think the issue is with Trae, there can be no overlap.
If that's correct, that would hurt Zion.
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Did he specifically not want to play off ball in ATL and was this an issue there?
This is exactly why they decided to split Murray/Trae this year.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 1:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
Trae’s agent is Rich Paul. If LeBron wants him in LA, he will find a way to force him to LA.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 1:38 pm to Pels_Yaz
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I’m not sure what you’re saying. Just because both like to handle the ball doesn’t mean they have overlapping strengths. Instead I would argue that Trae is a 3 pt shooter and Zion is paint scorer. I mean they’re a really good match.
In a lot of ways I agree with you. Offensively they are a good enough fit to be a really good offensive team. I mean, could you image running a pick-and-roll with Zion and Trae, Trae hitting Zion on the short roll and letting him attack downhill with an advantage to either finish or let him show off his passing?
What I am suggesting though is that they are not such a perfect fit that it would be worth the deficiency on D, the cost to acquire Trae, or the amount we would have to pay Trae.
Trae is not an off-ball player. This last year in ATL showed that. You say he’s a 3 pt shooter, but he has shot close to 70% of his 3s off the dribble in his career.
He wants to be THE system, which is still pretty good. Trae with 4 other average offensive players can still produce a top 10 offense. Trae fits extremely well with Herb, Trey, Dyson, and Hawk. But he overlaps with what Zion’s best attribute is: point-Zion. Nothing that has leaked out from ATL the last couple years gives me any confidence that Trae would buy into point-Zion
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