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re: Chief's Harrison Butker delivers an unforgettable commencement address
Posted on 5/16/24 at 9:21 am to whatiknowsofar
Posted on 5/16/24 at 9:21 am to whatiknowsofar
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No I'm not
Just because someone does something doesn't make it an accepted belief of the church. Plenty of catholics have had abortions/gotten divorced/etc, doesn't make it right or accepted.
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Posted on 5/16/24 at 9:22 am to JohnnyKilroy
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People are hypocritical. Crazy I know.
Just pick a more believable lie next time. You swung for the fences and came up a bit short.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 9:24 am to lsupride87
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The couple leading our retreat talked about natural family planning instead of other forms of birth control yadda yadda, and how it never failed them in marriage
I like how other forms of birth control are forbidden because they supposedly don't allow god a chance at providing life or whatever, but then in the next sentence they will tell you that NFP is 100% effective and you will never get pregnant if performed correctly.
Seems like those practicing NFP, by there own admission, don't provide god a chance at creating life.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 9:25 am to JohnnyKilroy
Right. If I test my wife’s internal mucous temperature to determine now is not a good time for her to get pregnant so I can blow loads inside her, why can’t I just pull out when her mucous is showing ovulation?
This post was edited on 5/16/24 at 9:26 am
Posted on 5/16/24 at 9:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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IVF? Surrogacy?
Playing God is playing God.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 9:41 am to Wayne Campbell
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Playing God is playing God.
So where does that line end?
If your wife gave birth prematurely and your newborn cannot breathe without being hooked up to a manmade machine, is that playing god? If not, why not? Completely unnatural to have a machine breathe for you.
Why should we sustain any life through medicine? If you develop bone cancer, surely receiving treatment for it would be an unnatural, human intervention subverting god's will, correct? Is Pope John Paul II burning in hell right now because he received a tracheotomy, extending his life outside of god's will? Without unnatural intervention by man, he would have died much sooner than he did.
This post was edited on 5/16/24 at 9:49 am
Posted on 5/16/24 at 9:46 am to lsupride87
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But I think Sharia law supporters are ignorant dumbasses
And Harrison Butker
Agreed but only one of these will actually face public ridicule and backlash from the NFL and the media.
Progressives hate religion….except for radical Muslims.
See pretty much all of Europe now and Minnesota in the US. Hell MN has voted for an open terrorist in Congress twice now.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 10:40 am to whatiknowsofar
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The ivf and surrogacy bullshite. They're divided by that but majority of catholics are absolutely ok with this.
Doesn't make it ok just because a bunch of Catholics may think it is. It's a sin. And that is very much in line with Church teaching on the entirety of sex and procreation.
Humans have a hard time with tough decisions and reality, that is true.
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Then there's the subversive comments he made about women mainly being happiest about being mothers and home makers. And if you can't tell why it's subversive we'll I don't know that you're worth engaging any further.
Like I said, he could have said it better, but all he is pointing to is natural law and our souls "doing what they should." He probably doesn't do it well, I don't do it well, none of us do. But just because we suck at it, doesn't mean it isn't true or shouldn't be said.
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That's where I split with the Church.
I mean, you do you, but being Pro-Life is fundamental to church teaching.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 10:49 am to JohnnyKilroy
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I like how other forms of birth control are forbidden because they supposedly don't allow god a chance at providing life or whatever, but then in the next sentence they will tell you that NFP is 100% effective and you will never get pregnant if performed correctly.
Seems like those practicing NFP, by there own admission, don't provide god a chance at creating life.
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Right. If I test my wife’s internal mucous temperature to determine now is not a good time for her to get pregnant so I can blow loads inside her, why can’t I just pull out when her mucous is showing ovulation?
People who say 100% are just reacting to the need to say that because of our political conversation on birth control. And it's wrong. The whole point is that it isn't, no form of birth control is. And using it means every act is "open to life," and if God wants to make the sperm live for 6 days instead of 5, then yeah you might get pregnant. All the ingredients are there and nothing is restricted, that is the point.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 10:52 am to JohnnyKilroy
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If your wife gave birth prematurely and your newborn cannot breathe without being hooked up to a manmade machine, is that playing god? If not, why not? Completely unnatural to have a machine breathe for you.
So if you accept that it's not ok to kill hundreds of fertilized eggs to create one, you must also believe that keeping someone alive is wrong?
Where's the connection?
Posted on 5/16/24 at 10:52 am to Freauxzen
quote:This is where religion and God in general loses me at times
and if God wants to make the sperm live for 6 days instead of 5, then yeah you might get pregnant.
God is the powerful one that can make sperm live longer. That’s almighty unlimited power. So, that must mean he creates the cancer to kill a poor innocent 5 year old child.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 10:55 am to Freauxzen
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Because being a slave to your passions is a good thing?
Because being a slave to “whatever ‘god’ wants is what will happen to me” is absolutely ludicrous lol
This line of thinking just gives up on anyones ability to live how they want to live because “well that’s what god says” lol
This post was edited on 5/16/24 at 10:56 am
Posted on 5/16/24 at 11:00 am to Freauxzen
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no form of birth control is.
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using it means every act is "open to life
So if I’m open to the ~1% chance of getting my wife pregnant when she’s on BC, I’m good? If not, why?
If god makes that 1% happen then you might get pregnant.
Can a woman who got a hysterectomy as part of her ovarian cancer treatment ever have sex again without sinning?
Posted on 5/16/24 at 11:02 am to Freauxzen
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So if you accept that it's not ok to kill hundreds of fertilized eggs to create one, you must also believe that keeping someone alive is wrong?
Playing god is playing god.
If god’s will was to give someone cancer, seems pretty damning to try to subvert that.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 11:06 am to TigerintheNO
Some doctor or professor said he made her sick and then doxxed Butker’s mother’s place of employment (she is a clinical medical physicist) under the guise of feeling sorry for his mother, and the official Kansas City govt account tweeted a reminder that he lives in another city in area and then listed that city.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 11:08 am to dallastigers
You can easily find out what city someone lives in. I don’t see why tweeting just the city of someone is an issue
For example
For example
quote:That took 7 seconds
The Kansas City Chiefs quarterback, 28, who will take on the San Francisco 49ers in Sunday's Super Bowl, and his family finally moved into their sprawling mansion in Belton, Missouri
This post was edited on 5/16/24 at 11:09 am
Posted on 5/16/24 at 11:15 am to lsupride87
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get naturally pregnant and it doesn’t work? It’s wasted correct? Or an embryo that doesn’t take and is naturally aborted?
Something happening naturally vs something being done intentionally is a distinction used in countless examinations regarding morality.
Is this a serious argument? (Hint: it isn't)
Posted on 5/16/24 at 11:18 am to JohnnyKilroy
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So where does that line end? If your wife gave birth prematurely and your newborn cannot breathe without being hooked up to a manmade machine, is that playing god? If not, why not? Completely unnatural to have a machine breathe for you. Why should we sustain any life through medicine? If you develop bone cancer, surely receiving treatment for it would be an unnatural, human intervention subverting god's will, correct? Is Pope John Paul II burning in hell right now because he received a tracheotomy, extending his life outside of god's will? Without unnatural intervention by man, he would have died much sooner than he did.
It’s not that hard to understand and I feel like you guys are being intentionally obtuse. The Church believes euthanasia involves a choice to destroy a human life unnaturally. It believes IVF inevitably involves the choice that results in destruction of human life unnaturally (discarding what the Church believes are humans). IVF also involves the creation of human life unnaturally and picking/choosing the “best genes/sample” as being more worthy of continuing with its human life, and a culture of selection/consumerism to human life.
Chemo, a breathing machine, hip replacement, cold medicine, surgery, a stent… all of those enhance/sustains (not creates / destroys) human life. The Church is also in favor of vaccines, but doesn’t approve of embryonic stem cell research to create them because it destroys an embryo. (It’s common misconception the church doesn’t approve of stem cell research. It does. It doesn’t approve of embryonic stem cell research.)
You might not think human life begins right when egg/sperm meet and you might think humans choosing to end their life unnaturally isn’t wrong, and that’s your opinion. So you might think the Church is wrong/archaic on those topics. But even if so, it’s not hard to see how people who do think those things distinguish IVF and euthanasia from medicine items like chemo, surgery, etc.
This post was edited on 5/16/24 at 11:20 am
Posted on 5/16/24 at 11:21 am to Turbeauxdog
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Something happening naturally vs something being done intentionally
Is it amoral to provide medical treatment? It’s intentional, unnatural and a direct subversion of god’s will.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 11:29 am to Buckeye Fan 19
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Chemo, a breathing machine, hip replacement, cold medicine, surgery, a stent… all of those enhance/sustains (not creates / destroys) human life.
And who determines that god’s will to give a person cancer or a breathing disability is ok to be ignored? Man?
In what world is unnaturally extending life NOT a subversion of god’s will?
This post was edited on 5/16/24 at 11:31 am
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