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re: Chief's Harrison Butker delivers an unforgettable commencement address

Posted on 5/19/24 at 12:29 am to
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
Where the mongooses roam
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 5/19/24 at 12:29 am to
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If what he said about women is not "zealotry", then I'm sorry I assumed so.


His grouping of birthing a life and killing one as similar disorders qualifies more than the culture war headlines. Read the whole thread before hopping in next time.
This post was edited on 5/19/24 at 12:30 am
Posted by Freauxzen
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Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 5/19/24 at 8:33 am to
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His grouping of birthing a life and killing one as similar disorders qualifies more than the culture war headlines.


Dude, it's the wrong read. He was a Catholic guy, speaking to a catholic audience. Disorder is a very specific phrase in that context.

The commandments are the clearest distillation of God's will for man. As I've mentioned, disorder means not alignment with God's will.

Therefore, yes, committing murder is disordered. Not honoring your parents is disordered. Taking the Lords name in vain is disordered. Etc. They are different levels of severity, different causes and effects, they are all different kinds of "disorder." That's what he means.

He's not saying they are similar disorders, he us just saying they are not in alignment with God's will.

He is not saying that birthing a life and killing one are the same disorder that come from the same place that have the same level of severity. At all.

And I hope you realize that "birthing a life," is a really generous way to put surrogacy and IVF. The catholic perspective on both has nothing to do with "birthing a life'" and everything to do with how you get there.

You should at least read up before reacting so emotional to it.
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 5/19/24 at 3:04 pm to
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His grouping of birthing a life and killing one as similar disorders qualifies more than the culture war headlines. Read the whole thread before hopping in next time.


Except he is not inventing this. It comes from Catholic doctrine. The Church's position on these issues is very clear and hasn't changed. I can understand not agreeing with the Church's views but I'm actually fairly amazed at the lack of understanding of the context on this board which surely has plenty of people who attended Catholic schools in South LA.
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