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re: YAOTMT - help with getting a keyed lug off a tire
Posted on 5/14/24 at 8:19 pm to Meauxjeaux
Posted on 5/14/24 at 8:19 pm to Meauxjeaux
Check the glove box for the socket thingy.
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Posted on 5/14/24 at 8:51 pm to Meauxjeaux
hammer a 12 point socket on that bitch and remove with a breaker bar.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 8:52 pm to Meauxjeaux
Get a socket that barely fits over it and hammer it on like a thief would.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 9:35 pm to dkreller
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Get a socket that barely fits over it and hammer it on like a thief would.
Gonna do this tomorrow.
Got a breaker bar today but the ORielly key turned out to not be a match.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:16 pm to Meauxjeaux
Air fittings will limit your psi flow. I can't remember the exact amount but I want to say a 3/8 hose with 1/4 npt air fitting will reduce psi by I think 20 psi per fitting
Air impact tools produce their rated torque at 90 PSI pressure. That means 90 PSI at the gun input while it's running.
Here is an example:
Low flow 1/4" style coupler at the compressor connected to a 50 foot long 3/8" hose terminated at another M style coupler to the impact.
In order to obtain the guns rated torque at 90 PSI you need to overcome the system pressure drop which is likely to be 35-40 PSI per coupler plus 25-30 PSI for the hose plus the regulator droop.
That was from a quick Google search but you're probably not getting the full 90 psi at the impact.
All else fails breaker bar and a 4ft piece of pipe for a cheater bar.
Air impact tools produce their rated torque at 90 PSI pressure. That means 90 PSI at the gun input while it's running.
Here is an example:
Low flow 1/4" style coupler at the compressor connected to a 50 foot long 3/8" hose terminated at another M style coupler to the impact.
In order to obtain the guns rated torque at 90 PSI you need to overcome the system pressure drop which is likely to be 35-40 PSI per coupler plus 25-30 PSI for the hose plus the regulator droop.
That was from a quick Google search but you're probably not getting the full 90 psi at the impact.
All else fails breaker bar and a 4ft piece of pipe for a cheater bar.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:22 pm to bamabkj
righty tighty, lefty loosy
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:33 pm to SRV
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Those tools work better with an actual ratchet. Turn it slow to let it bite into the lug nut. Give it a hit or two with the hammer to drive it on good. Using it with an impact usually just causes it to slip on the lug nut.
^ This. Also, Tap it with a hammer as you are turning. An impact is the wrong tool for this job. Don't feel bad, the tire shop I use couldn't get mine off. Once off, throw it away and replace with a regular lug.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:59 pm to fr33manator
This is great. My grandfather was a farmer and when he had something he couldn’t get loose he’d tell me “go get me the Victor wrench”. I’ve always called the cutting torch this because of him.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 8:35 am to keakar
Thanks, keaker!
Just left Eddie Tourelles Northpark Nissan where the service manager basically told me to go frick myself....
...wouldn't sell me one, wouldn't rent me one, wouldn't let me borrow for an hour. Didn't even respond to where else I might get one.
Most useless POS I've interacted with in a good while.
Stealerships so earn their reputation.
Just left Eddie Tourelles Northpark Nissan where the service manager basically told me to go frick myself....
...wouldn't sell me one, wouldn't rent me one, wouldn't let me borrow for an hour. Didn't even respond to where else I might get one.
Most useless POS I've interacted with in a good while.
Stealerships so earn their reputation.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 8:36 am to bamabkj
Wow I had no idea it would lose that much power.
I think I have 1/4 quick connect fittings onto a 100' 3/8 250lb hose.
I think I have 1/4 quick connect fittings onto a 100' 3/8 250lb hose.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 8:42 am to Meauxjeaux
That looks like a McGard. They make most of the OEM ones.
Is the socket you have slipping or just not turning. If not turning your impact or compressor probably just doesn't have enough power. PSI helps but CFM is where the money is.
Is the socket you have slipping or just not turning. If not turning your impact or compressor probably just doesn't have enough power. PSI helps but CFM is where the money is.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 9:35 am to 3deadtrolls
Picked up a McGard last night that looked like a match but it's slightly off.
Going to do the "hammer a 12 point socket on it and use a breaker bar" thing later today.
Then toss these things and replace with regular lugs.
Going to do the "hammer a 12 point socket on it and use a breaker bar" thing later today.
Then toss these things and replace with regular lugs.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 12:15 pm to Meauxjeaux
Get a bolt\nut extractor for that side lug nut. Drive it on with a hammer and it will come off easy peazy.
Like this but if you can probably find just the correct size you need at a local auto parts store (to keep from having to buy the whole set).
https://www.harborfreight.com/38-in-drive-metric-bolt-extractor-socket-set-9-piece-67894.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=12169518939&campaignid=12169518939&utm_content=114845770017&adsetid=114845770017&product=67894&store=570&gad_source=1
Like this but if you can probably find just the correct size you need at a local auto parts store (to keep from having to buy the whole set).
https://www.harborfreight.com/38-in-drive-metric-bolt-extractor-socket-set-9-piece-67894.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=12169518939&campaignid=12169518939&utm_content=114845770017&adsetid=114845770017&product=67894&store=570&gad_source=1
Posted on 5/15/24 at 3:13 pm to ninthward
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hammer a 12 point socket on that bitch and remove with a breaker bar.
fricking success!
12 point 21MM Pittsburg black steel socket hammered on and breaker barred off.
Any chance I’ll have any luck getting that stupid arse key out of the 21 mm socket? Just hate to throw the damn thing away since it’s been so good to me.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 6:53 pm to Meauxjeaux
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Thanks, keaker!
what happened with one from oreillys you said had one?
Posted on 5/15/24 at 7:05 pm to Meauxjeaux
Rub some lipstick on the lug nut, press some paper against it, and take the impression with you to the parts store.
On the other hand, you could use a mig welder to stick a regular lug on the end of it just to get it off.
On the other hand, you could use a mig welder to stick a regular lug on the end of it just to get it off.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 7:15 pm to Meauxjeaux
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Wow I had no idea it would lose that much power.
I think I have 1/4 quick connect fittings onto a 100' 3/8 250lb hose.
If you don't have enough "juice" at the gun it is likely a CFM issue versus a PSI issue. Most 1/2" impact guns need ~4 CFM @90psi to work correctly and while small fitting and long hoses will cause pressure drops they will have a bigger impact on CFM (volume) and given the small tank size your compressor is likely your compressor can't manage 1 CFM at 90 PSI. With a large hose and fittings you might be able to break one lug nut loose but look at the hoses and fitting on the gauges, they are likely very small. None of this make a difference if you are spinning on the wheel lock!
When people have the "normal" small oilless compressors and want a impact gun I always suggest getting a corded or battery version instead of pneumatic unless they are willing to pop for a bigger compressor.
Bottom line CFM is almost always the limiting factor when matching a compressor to a tool.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 7:21 pm to keakar
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Thanks, keaker!
what happened with one from oreillys you said had one?
The key from Oreilly's didn't quite fit... the pattern appeared to match well, but it wouldn't seat on the lug on the car. It was a McGard kit.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 7:23 pm to Obtuse1
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If you don't have enough "juice" at the gun it is likely a CFM issue versus a PSI issue. Most 1/2" impact guns need ~4 CFM @90psi to work correctly and while small fitting and long hoses will cause pressure drops they will have a bigger impact on CFM (volume) and given the small tank size your compressor is likely your compressor can't manage 1 CFM at 90 PSI. With a large hose and fittings you might be able to break one lug nut loose but look at the hoses and fitting on the gauges, they are likely very small. None of this make a difference if you are spinning on the wheel lock!
When people have the "normal" small oilless compressors and want a impact gun I always suggest getting a corded or battery version instead of pneumatic unless they are willing to pop for a bigger compressor.
Bottom line CFM is almost always the limiting factor when matching a compressor to a tool.
Thanks O! I learned a good bit in this ordeal.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 2:19 pm to Meauxjeaux
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The key from Oreilly's didn't quite fit... the pattern appeared to match well, but it wouldn't seat on the lug on the car
hmmm, maybe a bit of grinding it where its needed would do the trick
if its close, if you can tell where its binding, then most likely just grinding it down where it doesnt fit, would do the trick if its close. after all, you dont need the key anymore after you get them off.
also, tighten up all the other lugs, if the others are lose then it makes the locking lug still left, get even tighter, and that makes it harder to remove.
also, if you know any small fix a flat places, they will often have some of those keys laying around for when people lose their locking lug key. its worth a phone call to ask around
This post was edited on 5/16/24 at 2:32 pm
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