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A Question for Cane Farmers on Cold Tolerance

Posted on 5/15/24 at 7:36 am
Posted by Decisions
Member since Mar 2015
1491 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 7:36 am
What’s the real limiting factor about it? Seed cane not surviving the winter? Freezing before harvest is done? Why not have more cane cutters to speed up harvest?

Or is it more of a growing season limiter?
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
25096 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 8:07 am to
Doesn’t sugar cane need two season’s? That would be extremely capital intensive.

ETA: not a farmer.
This post was edited on 5/15/24 at 8:08 am
Posted by Decisions
Member since Mar 2015
1491 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 8:24 am to
quote:

Doesn’t sugar cane need two season’s?


In Louisiana I believe the seed cane is planted in the fall and harvested the next year. After that you get one or more years of regrowth (stubble) that you don’t have to replant. How many years depends on how well it weathers I think.
Posted by StonewallJack
Member since Apr 2008
701 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 8:49 am to
I heard you get 4 harvests per plant
Posted by Kingpenm3
Xanadu
Member since Aug 2011
8981 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 9:19 am to
The John Deere double row cane harvester is the most expensive piece of equipment they sell.

Posted by AP83
Cottonport
Member since Sep 2009
2723 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:21 am to
Temperatures below 22 degrees will kill all above-ground parts of the sugar cane. Once this happens it becomes very susceptible to bacteria. The northern line is basically Rapides and Avoyelles Parish.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81763 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:54 am to
quote:

The northern line is basically Rapides and Avoyelles Parish
I think my back yard it the literal line. If there is any North of Bayou Robert, I don't know where it is.
Posted by turkish
Member since Aug 2016
1799 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 11:36 am to
Wow. Really? More than any excavator, dozer, forestry equipment??
This post was edited on 5/15/24 at 11:38 am
Posted by NattyLite
St. Charles Community
Member since Jan 2010
2024 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 12:30 pm to
It’s not about how much cane the farmer can handle cutting it’s about how much cane the mill can take in from said farmer. Farmers are almost always on quotas of how many tons they can send to the mill daily. Mill has to appease all farmers.
Posted by Decisions
Member since Mar 2015
1491 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 1:40 pm to
quote:

Wow. Really? More than any excavator, dozer, forestry equipment??


Does any of that equipment run more than a million dollars new? Cane farming definitely isn’t small stakes, lol.

quote:

It’s not about how much cane the farmer can handle cutting it’s about how much cane the mill can take in from said farmer. Farmers are almost always on quotas of how many tons they can send to the mill daily. Mill has to appease all farmers.


Gotcha. Sounds more like a milling bottleneck than a growing/climate bottleneck, then.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81763 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 1:46 pm to
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Gotcha. Sounds more like a milling bottleneck than a growing/climate bottleneck, then.
Pretty sure it was even worse a while back when cane was transported in larger sizes. When the Meeker mill closed, cane pretty much disappeared in CENLA.
Posted by Decisions
Member since Mar 2015
1491 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 2:03 pm to
quote:

Pretty sure it was even worse a while back when cane was transported in larger sizes. When the Meeker mill closed, cane pretty much disappeared in CENLA.


What was the deal with that mill? Poor management? It sounds like everyone that I’ve talked to around that area would grow cane if they had the milling.
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12736 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 2:06 pm to
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Gotcha. Sounds more like a milling bottleneck than a growing/climate bottleneck, then.

That's not the case. There's new acres getting put into cane every year. It's literally a climate and soils issue.

Sugarcane is a tropical crop. South American farmers can get multiple harvests out of a field in a single year, and the cane is much larger down there.

Here, however, cane is at its northern limits. This is part of the reason cane stubble is burned, because if they leave it on the ground too long, the soil may not get to the temperature it needs to be long enough for growth. Once you get far enough north where hard freezes happen pretty regularly, the climate is no longer suitable for cane.

On top of that, the best soils for can production are the alluvial soils along the Atchafalaya and Mississippi. Once you get so far west (i.e., onto the prairie), the productivity of those soils drops of significantly.
This post was edited on 5/15/24 at 2:08 pm
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81763 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 2:52 pm to
quote:

What was the deal with that mill? Poor management?
I really don't know.
Posted by turkish
Member since Aug 2016
1799 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 4:12 pm to
quote:

Does any of that equipment run more than a million dollars new? Cane farming definitely isn’t small stakes, lol.

Wow. That’s incredible. Got some YouTubing to do tonight!
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
5967 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 7:06 pm to
That machine works hard in a leafy environment resulting in build up of combustable stuff all over the machine. I have seen a couple catch fire and self-destruct
Posted by highcotton2
Alabama
Member since Feb 2010
9458 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 7:49 pm to
quote:

The John Deere double row cane harvester is the most expensive piece of equipment they sell.


Costs about $30,000 more than a CP770 cotton picker.
Posted by Decisions
Member since Mar 2015
1491 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 9:45 pm to
quote:

cane is at its northern limits.


Current northern limits. It wasn’t that long ago that many would have laughed at the idea of Avoyelles (and even Concordia, briefly) growing cane, but it’s happened.

I think we’ve just got a logistics problem, personally. I’m aware of the soil situation. As long as it’s alluvial and not loess it’ll be up to the challenge. I’m sure a freak frost can and would happen occasionally, but according to the hardiness/climate maps I’ve looked at cane could certainly be pushed farther north.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19632 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 11:19 pm to
frick cane, it with pines are vile weeds!
Posted by sosaysmorvant
River Parishes, LA
Member since Feb 2008
1317 posts
Posted on 5/16/24 at 6:15 am to
The sugarcane mills are the bottleneck. As stated, farmers each have a quota so more-or-less each farm finishes it's harvest about the same time.

The earlier you cut the cane, the less sweet it is. When they start in September, the sugarcane is still actively growing so the sucrose in the plant is low. As temperatures fall and days get shorter, the cane stops growing as fast and stores more sugar to make it through the winter. Sugar yields increase as winter approaches. A light freeze can really help the sugar yields as the cane stops growing completely and everything goes to sugar storage. But a hard freeze will kill the plant (sugar cane is a tropical plant) and while it will get real sweet for a time, after 1-3 weeks, the stalks actually spoil, and the crop is lost. Hard freezes before December are rare in South Louisiana. I guess that changes around Avoyelles Parish. I dunno.

Farmers will actually spray some fields with dilute Roundup (called pollada) just prior to harvest to get the sugar yield up. No surfactant though. It has the same affect as a light freeze.

The Sugar Industry would not exist in the US if not for government subsidies. American farmers could not stay in business if they had to trade their product on the world market.
This post was edited on 5/16/24 at 6:16 am
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