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re: 56% of GOP voters want govt to pay more in monthly SS benefits/medicare
Posted on 5/15/24 at 7:25 pm to shrevetigertom
Posted on 5/15/24 at 7:25 pm to shrevetigertom
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To me an entitlement is free money (see welfare, SSI for kids who are “crazy”, Medicaid) in that they didn’t pay into the fund disbursing the benefits. Any person not a moron would understand this. Unfortunately, Taxing Authority is a moron.
You're the one that misunderstands the definition of what entitlements are
Thankfully the opinion that you made up out of thin air doesn't matter. And the way you phrased it clearly states that it's just an opinion.
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Posted on 5/15/24 at 7:33 pm to TROLA
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It’s case dependent on whether it’s a retur/refund of taxes or an entitlement
Not really. It's an entitlement. That you may have paid more in taxes than payments/services you receive back doesn't change what it is. It's an entitlement.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 7:33 pm to Powerman
Why don’t you grace me with the official definition of entitlement.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 7:40 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Easy fix. Just stop the cap on SS income deductions. Currently after $168K in yearly earnings you don't pay the SS deduction. I'm Ok with this and I fall in that category.
When our government can't agree on this simple fix how can they tackle anything?
When our government can't agree on this simple fix how can they tackle anything?
Posted on 5/15/24 at 8:42 pm to BCreed1
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That's a lot of horse shite you typed.
How to say, "I'm really stupid" without actually saying those words.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 8:45 pm to cuyahoga tiger
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Easy fix. Just stop the cap on SS income deductions. Currently after $168K in yearly earnings you don't pay the SS deduction.
Can you show your work to prove that it really is an easy fix?
As in, the math?
As in, do enough people really make enough more than $168,000 a year to make up the shortfall?
I kind of doubt it.
This post was edited on 5/15/24 at 8:49 pm
Posted on 5/15/24 at 8:46 pm to shrevetigertom
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Why don’t you grace me with the official definition of entitlement.
The Supreme Court of The US designated SS as an entitlement.
That's pretty official.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 8:51 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
How about just let me keep my FICA, lower income and CG taxes, and let’s see what happens.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 8:53 pm to Sofaking2
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Let’s start with not sending hundreds of billions(likely trillions) to Afghanistan, Iraq, Ukraine, etc. and places like this. Use that money.
This will be the third time just this week that I've had to post this.
We give foreign aid to 157 countries. All of it. ALL of it—Israel and Ukraine included—represents 1% of the federal budget.
SS/Medicare represents 50%.
Do I need to do that math for you to understand why YOU CAN'T FIX THE INSOLVENCY PROBLEM IN THE UNITED STATES AND KEEP SS/MEDICARE? At least not without cutting it severely?
Posted on 5/15/24 at 8:56 pm to McLemore
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How about just let me keep my FICA, lower income and CG taxes, and let’s see what happens.
Well, that's why nothing will change with the debt/deficit.
Because to pay off the debt, we'd have to kill SS/Medicare and stop giving out the benefits, yet still collect the taxes.
When you can't even convince people who think they are conservative that SS/Medicare are entitlements, what do you think the chances of THAT are?
Posted on 5/15/24 at 9:05 pm to wackatimesthree
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When you can't even convince people who think they are conservative that SS/Medicare are entitlements, what do you think the chances of THAT are?
Well if you pay into them for a long working career then they aren’t entitlements. They’re like partial refunds.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 9:08 pm to wackatimesthree
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When you can't even convince people who think they are conservative that SS/Medicare are entitlements, what do you think the chances of THAT are?
The recipients of SS and Medicare are simply getting the money back they and their employers paid into the SS and Medicare accounts on their behalf.
Yes, they would be entitled to the money they paid in.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 9:11 pm to David_DJS
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He was spot on.
No he isn't.
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You're a big government type
Why are you lying? This is how people know you have lost the point.
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but the fact is SS is an entitlement program
No it's not an entitlement. You are working under the impression that people have not paid in.
They have, it's their money. And that ends it.
I have already proven that people living longer is a BS argument. I posted per 100K the deaths of people that have paid in for 25 years plus and never collected a dime of that because the died before retirement.
You literally have no argument.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 9:15 pm to Taxing Authority
Go sell that to the general public!
Posted on 5/15/24 at 9:17 pm to Bass Tiger
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Interesting, this chart shows the rapid increase in outlays occurring just as the gold standard was abolished by executive order under Nixon.....and that ushered in the framework for the Lords of Easy Money.
BETA Page
It does.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 9:18 pm to Bass Tiger
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The recipients of SS and Medicare are simply getting the money back they and their employers paid into the SS and Medicare accounts on their behalf.
Yes, they would be entitled to the money they paid in.
No they aren't, and no they wouldn't.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 9:21 pm to BCreed1
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You are working under the impression that people have not paid in.
No he's not.
Good grief some of you are so stupid it scares me for this country.
Sure they paid in. And that money went to pay someone eles's benefits.
Just like their benefits will be paid by someone else.
Just like SNAP or any other type of welfare. The only difference—as someone else posted—is that SS/Medicare has a tax designated just for it and other entitlements are paid by generally collecting income taxes. That's it.
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They have, it's their money.
So how did the first person start collecting SS in 1937? How long did they pay in to be able to cllect back their own money?
Posted on 5/15/24 at 9:21 pm to Powerman
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You're the one that misunderstands the definition of what entitlements are
the belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.
"no wonder your kids have a sense of entitlement".
What tax payer in this thread have you read state they want anything more than what they paid in?
You have not.
This is right:
To me an entitlement is free money (see welfare, SSI for kids who are “crazy”, Medicaid) in that they didn’t pay into the fund disbursing the benefits.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 9:22 pm to wackatimesthree
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How to say, "I'm really stupid" without actually saying those words.
No, it's how you say "that's a lot of horse shite".
Posted on 5/15/24 at 9:24 pm to BCreed1
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What tax payer in this thread have you read state they want anything more than what they paid in?
OMG.
The term "entitlement" has multiple meanings. You're using general definitions and not the definition specified in context, which would be this one: "Any government-provided or government-managed benefit or service to which some or all individuals are entitled by law."
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