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Could we see a return of westerns?
Posted on 5/16/24 at 5:51 pm
Posted on 5/16/24 at 5:51 pm
It’s natural unforced DEI that the suits love without ruining the story. Stick an injun in the movie and voila’ diversity.
This post was edited on 5/16/24 at 6:08 pm
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Posted on 5/16/24 at 6:06 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
quote:Except unlike the good old days Indians can't be faceless villains, like Nazis in a WWII movie
Stick an injun in the movie and voila’ diversity
The genre began waning even before PC & Woke. Westerns may develop into a niche like movies about ancient Rome or WWI, but I don't see them ever being a dominant genre again.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 6:13 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Posted on 5/16/24 at 6:48 pm to Kafka
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Except unlike the good old days Indians can't be faceless villains, like Nazis in a WWII movie
Generally speaking, didn't the best westerns NOT include the "generic Indian villain"?
Like Tombstone; The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly; The Outlaw Josey Wales; Once Upon a Time in the West...
Maybe I'm misremembering, but could have sworn most of the great ones don't do that.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 7:06 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
johnathan Nolan can’t stop making futuristic dystopian westerns
Posted on 5/16/24 at 7:24 pm to skrayper
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Generally speaking, didn't the best westerns NOT include the "generic Indian villain"?
Depends on what you consider best.
The Searchers had Scar the Comanche as the big bad.
A bunch of the deconstructionist stuff like Unforgiven, Pale Rider, etc, don’t have them.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 7:54 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Well now that the public (or a vocal minority) has been all against cops, maybe the Cowboy is now ready to make a comeback.
Its funny, everything was Cowboy movies, for action movies, TV shows....until the 70s.....then the white hat Cowboy becomes the rogue Cop....and its all Cop shows and movies through 80s....just killing whomever because they were in the way..
It's kinda sad we basically have been pigeonholed for decades for dramatic action....Cops and Cowboys....
They're the same formula, so now that cops are seen as some type of pariah by some, the obvious box office replacement is a return to the Cowboy. Don't think Dirty Harry would sell today.
Its funny, everything was Cowboy movies, for action movies, TV shows....until the 70s.....then the white hat Cowboy becomes the rogue Cop....and its all Cop shows and movies through 80s....just killing whomever because they were in the way..
It's kinda sad we basically have been pigeonholed for decades for dramatic action....Cops and Cowboys....
They're the same formula, so now that cops are seen as some type of pariah by some, the obvious box office replacement is a return to the Cowboy. Don't think Dirty Harry would sell today.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 7:57 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
I'm curious to see how well Horizon does at the box office.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 9:24 pm to skrayper
quote:There were actually westerns made before Spaghetti
Generally speaking, didn't the best westerns NOT include the "generic Indian villain"?
Like Tombstone; The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly; The Outlaw Josey Wales; Once Upon a Time in the West...
Posted on 5/16/24 at 10:00 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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It's kinda sad we basically have been pigeonholed for decades for dramatic action....Cops and Cowboys....
There's been plenty of war/military movies in that time with soldiers as the protagonists. We've had lots of WWII and Vietnam movies in particular. If there's gonna be a return of old genres, it should be war movies set in Afghanistan. We haven't had many of those.
This post was edited on 5/16/24 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 5/16/24 at 10:04 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
I'm thankful I get the GRIT channel on DirecTv channel 81. Wish they would come out with some new movies I like Calvary westerns.
This post was edited on 5/16/24 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 5/16/24 at 10:10 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
DEI or common sense was definitely a thing back in the day. Pernell Roberts, AKA Adam left Bonanza because studios kept hiring White people to play native roles instead of actual Native Americans.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 10:16 pm to gizmothepug
That's not the reason he quit. Its just some liberal bullshite he thought up.
He quit b/c he considered himself better than the show. He called himself an "Aristocrat" (his word) among actors. After he left he realized the industry did not regard his thespian abilities quite as highly as he did.
He quit b/c he considered himself better than the show. He called himself an "Aristocrat" (his word) among actors. After he left he realized the industry did not regard his thespian abilities quite as highly as he did.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 10:36 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Return?
They never went away.
They never went away.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 11:30 pm to OK Roughneck
Calvary = Jesus, cavalry = horses
Posted on 5/16/24 at 11:44 pm to Kafka
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That's not the reason he quit. Its just some liberal bullshite he thought up.
Maybe I’m wrong and that was an excuse he came up with, but we can’t pretend white people were playing Native Americans because Hollywood wouldn’t cast them. I’m not about anything woke culture, when it’s actually woke but Hollywood went from one extreme to another in less than 80 years.
However, Westerns can be done in today’s world. Bass Reves on Paramount+ would be considered a Western and I enjoyed that.
Posted on 5/17/24 at 12:17 am to gizmothepug
quote:Indians
we can’t pretend white people were playing Native Americans
quote:How many Indian actors were even in Hollywood at the time? Jay Silverheels. Who else? The Teardrop Litter guy was actually an Italian from down the bayou. There weren't enough Indian actors to meet the demand.
because Hollywood wouldn’t cast them
And would they have been as good as the Jewish & Italian character actors who generally played Indian roles? Almost certainly not.
Such casting didn't always work. I recall a Daniel Boone episode where Lloyd Bochner (the "Its a cookbook!" guy from TZ) played an Indian, & he was pretty ridiculous. But that was due to miscasting, not race.
Why is whites playing Indians unacceptable when Hollywood is pushing crap like a black Anne Boleyn?
Posted on 5/17/24 at 1:07 am to Kafka
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Why is whites playing Indians unacceptable when Hollywood is pushing crap like a black Anne Boleyn?
Two wrongs don’t make a right. It’s really not that big of a deal but when I’m watching Daniel Boone at my moms on the Inspirational channel and see a white actress playing a Native/Indian who has on enough makeup on to kill a horse and speaking like something is mentally wrong with her is something I’m going to notice. Calling out old Hollywood would doesn’t mean I believe the PC version of the Indian wars, compared to what actually happened.
Posted on 5/17/24 at 8:20 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
In the greatest television western of all time, Deadwood, the central story is a mining settlement on granted Indian territory. And there is exactly one Indian in one scene in one episode. You don't have to diversify to make good stories. We live in a time where good stories are few and far between.
Posted on 5/17/24 at 11:54 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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Could we see a return of westerns?
maybe if you want westerns where all the men are scared frightened cucks that depend on women to protect them
thats the only kind of thing they will make today
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