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Total Wealth Academy - Houston

Posted on 5/19/24 at 7:57 am
Posted by BabyTac
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2008
12332 posts
Posted on 5/19/24 at 7:57 am
Keep seeing this swole up old man on TV talking about this and passively investing in real estate. Any baws here have experience?
Posted by Thundercles
Mars
Member since Sep 2010
5137 posts
Posted on 5/19/24 at 8:42 am to
I've never seen it and I can already tell you it's a scam put forth by a guy who got rich buying real estate 2009-2019 when prices were reasonable and interest rates are absurdly low and now makes money selling a course to chumps to replicate that success in a radically different financial environment.
Posted by UltimaParadox
Huntsville
Member since Nov 2008
40896 posts
Posted on 5/19/24 at 8:42 am to
I should teach a class that the true way to get rich quick is to sell classes on getting rich quick to suckers
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
Member since Jan 2007
13665 posts
Posted on 5/19/24 at 12:50 pm to
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I should teach a class that the true way to get rich quick is to sell classes on getting rich quick to suckers


Start with evangelism. Many millions have been made off of TV preachers.

I've never seen it and I can already tell you it's a scam

If someone is getting rich doing something, why would they teach classes on how to do it an create competition based on the exact same model?

Unless it is an investment trader than can no long trade (legally), I don’t understand why anyone would do this
This post was edited on 5/19/24 at 12:53 pm
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
73358 posts
Posted on 5/19/24 at 1:24 pm to
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If someone is getting rich doing something, why would they teach classes on how to do it an create competition based on the exact same model?



so that proves the teaching and course does not work?

Being i am a RE guy and a futures trader i can tell you first hand you are dead wrong. I have taken courses from successful guys on each side who have helped my knowledge greatly.

many are legit.

now are there fakes out there? sure. generalizing all together like many here do is pure ignorance on display.

you subscribe to a closed hive mind mentality like many.

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Unless it is an investment trader than can no long trade (legally),


so they had to be done trading?



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I don’t understand why anyone would do this


Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
73358 posts
Posted on 5/19/24 at 1:35 pm to
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I've never seen it and I can already tell you it's a scam


I have never heard of that academy but great prescience!

there is lots of information you can learn and how to make money different ways with RE.

congrats tho on proving my points of the hive mind here.
Posted by Thundercles
Mars
Member since Sep 2010
5137 posts
Posted on 5/19/24 at 2:12 pm to
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I have never heard of that academy but great prescience!

there is lots of information you can learn and how to make money different ways with RE.

congrats tho on proving my points of the hive mind here.

Are you the guy that runs the course? All of the information you need to make money in real estate is free and out there in infinite sources.

Notice how few of these existed prior to 2020? Because everyone currently teaching was busy buying up real estate and making money. Now that the margins are razor thin or nonexistent, those people are instead teaching suckers to follow in their foolproof footsteps despite the numbers not making any sense.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
424225 posts
Posted on 5/19/24 at 4:40 pm to
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Notice how few of these existed prior to 2020?

RE courses? They've existed since I was a yute (and likely prior to that)

These courses teaching niche areas exploded with social media about 5-6 years ago.

You know what's easier than dealing in RE? Selling RE courses. That was probably the OG (not counting MLM).

That model has all sorts of random stuff now.

What's easier than making money in poker Selling poker courses. You can do this with all sorts of things...trading crypto, interviewing for tech jobs, etc.

My favorite are the guys who start in one area and then completely switch. MeetKevin was originally a RE grift, who then became a financial services grift. It's the social media model. You start with content, get popular, and then sell a course. Real estate, financial stuff, whatever tech is hot (soon to be AI), are the ones you see everywhere.
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
Member since Jan 2007
13665 posts
Posted on 5/19/24 at 9:24 pm to
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I have taken courses from successful guys on each side who have helped my knowledge greatly.



I was not referring to every class being a scam. Of course not. That’s preposterous and you are just looking for something to disagree with someone about if that is what you gathered from my comments. I take hours and hours of courses every year on a variety of subjects. This whole thread is about TV commercial RE pumpers. First they talk about passive investing in things like hotels, apartments and storage units. Then they upsell mentoring or membership programs at these schools that costs five figures..

Send us the link to the TV ads that are continuously running where RE gurus were pumping their programs that you learned so much about. I’d also LOVE to see the futures traders TV ads where they are pumping their programs and you took the course.
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
73358 posts
Posted on 5/19/24 at 11:40 pm to
look at my 2 links on the last page of this thread if you want to learn anything legit via courses/seminars in Texas.

brad is a multi-millionaire and yet still helps people.

LINK

no, never heard of what you posted.

Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
17108 posts
Posted on 5/20/24 at 8:33 am to
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Start with evangelism. Many millions have been made off of TV preachers.

Yes. Once established run for Congress. That way you will be able to take the money you've stolen and inside trade with it.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
424225 posts
Posted on 5/20/24 at 9:02 am to
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look at my 2 links on the last page of this thread if you want to learn anything legit via courses/seminars in Texas.


First link was to Brad Sumrok

LINK

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A Brad Sumrok student once referred to the multifamily investor as a “cheesy used-car salesman” when describing how his mentoring programs were marketed.

A new suit against Sumrok, however, makes much harsher claims about him and his programs.

Dr. Sanjeev Mall, a physician in Frisco, Texas, who dropped $100,000 on Sumrok’s offerings, is suing him, alleging Sumrok misrepresented the value of his mentoring program and committed “fraud to induce Dr. Mall to invest in the mentorship classes,” the complaint reads.


Reddit: Pretty sure brad sumrok mastermind investments is a pyramid scheme. Anyone else know about this?



Multifamily mentor Brad Sumrok built an empire. Now, the cracks are showing

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Two years ago, when the multifamily market was on fire, Sumrok had the receipts to prove it. His disciples’ deal volume surged by $1.5 billion as national multifamily investment smashed records. Sumrok would regularly parade star pupils onstage who’d banked stunning returns, according to some students.

Over the past six months, that success story has unraveled. This spring, Sumrok alum Jay Gajavelli lost millions of dollars of investors’ money after buildings bought through his Applesway Investment Group fell into foreclosure. The Wall Street Journal characterized the blowup as one of the largest commercial real estate disasters since the 2008 financial crisis.

Multiple deals are now bleeding cash, some of which Sumrok invested in personally, according to Morningstar data and two students familiar with the matter. Others have already tanked, thanks to market conditions: rising construction costs that stymied value-add plans, soaring interest rates and slipping rent growth.


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Through multifamily syndication, a sponsor or general partner finds an apartment building, secures financing, then taps a number of investors or limited partners to help fund the deal. Sumrok teaches how to be a sponsor, a limited partner or both.

Much like his peer Grant Cardone, Sumrok rode the syndication wave of the mid-2010s. The JOBS Act, passed in 2012, cut red tape around raising capital, opening the door for real estate players to tap cash from smaller investors. The SEC reported that syndicators raised $905 billion through private offerings in 2010. By 2017, the figure had hit $1.8 trillion.

Both Cardone and Sumrok aspire toward a rich man’s swagger. But arguably, only one pulls it off. Where Cardone’s conferences draw thousands, Sumrok’s typically boast hundreds. Cardone books A-list celebrities; Sumrok leans on Kiyosaki and Cardone himself.

And unlike Cardone, who dabbles in teaching sales and recruiting new investors in his own deals, Sumrok is more narrowly focused on minting new landlords and apartment investors.


*ETA: The first question is always "If they are so successful and have really figured out the formula, why are the selling courses and not devoting their time to the endeavor they claim to be so good at?

The second question is always, "If this system is so profitable, why are they letting it be known?"

If your answer to either involves some sort of altruism or the seller wanting to help people, you're the sucker.

Also, courses are one thing, but courses that get you into an MLM with the speaker are another level of grift.
This post was edited on 5/20/24 at 9:12 am
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
9311 posts
Posted on 5/20/24 at 1:02 pm to
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I was not referring to every class being a scam. Of course not. That’s preposterous and you are just looking for something to disagree with someone about if that is what you gathered from my comments. I take hours and hours of courses every year on a variety of subjects. This whole thread is about TV commercial RE pumpers. First they talk about passive investing in things like hotels, apartments and storage units. Then they upsell mentoring or membership programs at these schools that costs five figures..

Send us the link to the TV ads that are continuously running where RE gurus were pumping their programs that you learned so much about. I’d also LOVE to see the futures traders TV ads where they are pumping their programs and you took the course.


Sounds just like this guy:

"Trump University (also known as the Trump Wealth Institute and Trump Entrepreneur Initiative LLC) was an American company that ran a real estate training program from 2005 to 2010. It was owned and operated by The Trump Organization. A separate organization, Trump Institute, was licensed by Trump University but not owned by The Trump Organization. In 2011, amid multiple investigations, lawsuits and student complaints, it ceased operations.[2] It was founded in 2004 by Donald Trump, who was U.S. president from 2017 to 2021, and his associates Michael Sexton and Jonathan Spitalny. The company offered courses in real estate, asset management, entrepreneurship, and wealth creation.[3]

Despite its name, the organization was not an accredited university or college. It conducted three- and five-day seminars (often called "retreats") and used high-pressure tactics to sell them to its customers.[4] It did not confer college credit, grant degrees, or grade its students.[5] In 2011, the company became the subject of an inquiry by the New York Attorney General's office for illegal business practices, which resulted in a lawsuit filed in August 2013.[6] An article in the National Review called the organization a "massive scam".[7]

Trump University was also the subject of two class actions in federal court. The lawsuits centered around allegations that Trump University defrauded its students by using misleading marketing practices and engaging in aggressive sales tactics. The company and the lawsuits against it received renewed interest due to Trump's candidacy in the 2016 presidential election. Despite repeatedly insisting he would not settle, Trump settled all three lawsuits in November 2016 for a total of $25 million after being elected president.[8]"
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