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re: Official Running Log/Marathon Training Thread

Posted on 4/28/24 at 11:15 am to
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 4/28/24 at 11:15 am to
Still a great time bro.
Posted by Ingeniero
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Posted on 4/28/24 at 2:32 pm to
Just checked. Yeahhh baw you had that gorilla jump on your back

shite happens though, and your next one will be better. You know as well as I do that bad races happen and you can start your revenge tour after recovering from this one.
Posted by BaddestAndvari
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Posted on 4/28/24 at 2:44 pm to
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I’m pissed. I trained way too fricking hard to run that horribly

Mil 16 on was straight hell. At mile 23 one of the aid stations said they could physically see my calves locking up


Dude, so like wtf is up with that hill at mile 20/21?!?! It literally looks like the race took you into a canyon starting at 16-17 to destroy your hamstrings only to come out of the canyon at 20-21 and destroy your quads... That's brutal

**I will still take a late race hill to 4 huge hills before mile 10...**

quote:

you can start your revenge tour after recovering from this one.


I wish I could start my revenge tour, but unfortunately I signed up for a 100 miler.

I will pick my marathons MUCH better next year. I'm looking at a few beach marathons in Jan / Feb or something like Grandma's and I'm going to try to get into CIM or Chicago for the Fall.
This post was edited on 4/28/24 at 2:48 pm
Posted by Pedro
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Posted on 4/28/24 at 6:13 pm to
Yea it’s a brutal stretch. By that point I was dead anyway so I didnt notice it too much but a lot of people were saying they suffered through it. My bigger gripe is the way the event was handled. Definitely geared to the half. When the two races split off it went from high energy excitement for 6/7 miles to dead silence for 15. They had aid stations still but no cheer sections, no bands, nothing. Also when the two races converged they had cones up dividing the races which was good but you had to go around all of the half runners to get to the aid stations up there. It was just a cluster.

The focus on the bombing made the pre race stuff cool but I was not a fan of the full.

Also annoyed me there was no rhyme or reason to where the aid stations where. Grandmas it’s every two miles on the nose until you get to 18 and then it’s every mile. This they were just randomly put up.

Don’t get me wrong none of this affected my race or anything. It just wasn’t as well thought out as I think a race going on year 24 should be.
This post was edited on 4/28/24 at 6:20 pm
Posted by ks_nola
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Posted on 4/28/24 at 7:57 pm to
Pedro

3:01 is nothing to be upset about but we know it isn't what you had in mind. Once you've thought about it can you maybe share some ideas on where your training may have been off or what race mishaps may have happened to that lead to a time slower than your goal / time you thought you were prepared for.

i've had the opposite training / race results. for marathons i've always thought i was under trained /not ready and put up better results than expected but for 100 milers I've felt ready and finished very disappointed.
Posted by BaddestAndvari
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Posted on 4/28/24 at 8:56 pm to
quote:

Once you've thought about it can you maybe share some ideas on where your training may have been off or what race mishaps may have happened to that lead to a time slower than your goal / time you thought you were prepared for.


I'm not Pedro and I fell apart way worst than him and didn't even get a respectable time while falling apart, but:

I think I'm switching to the Jack Daniels 2Q instead of Pfitz for my next marathon. By then I will have done even more insane milage weeks because of 100 training.

Pfitz has been great for boosting my running economy, but I don't think my endurance has been boosted even close to the same level as my running economy (I've gone from an estimated 49 vo2 max to 53 the last 7 months, but my endurance score really hasn't changed that much, and I've noticed my faster stuff getting easier but marathon pace not quite the same, even though it is easier, just not as extreme)

I will also pick better marathons, if someone dies at your marathon you are probably running a trash marathon...
Posted by tigernurse
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 10:34 am to
Question for all of yall more experienced runners- I felt fine- surprisingly after the half on Saturday and yesterday as well.

But today- for the love of all things- I’m exhausted as all get out.

Is delayed exhaustion a thing??

For what it’s worth, I’m 50 and this is the first half I’ve run in a few years.
My long runs don’t wear me out so am I just a huge whiney arse or is there some type of post race crash that affects old ppl like myself?
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 10:40 am to
Any time I go over 10 miles (even on my easy runs), I come home, eat, shower, and crash. Finally get to feeling energetic again after lunch.
Posted by Pedro
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 10:48 am to
Thanks man. I was telling my wife yesterday one of the things I have trouble with is the different level of “good” that I feel for myself vs what others is good for a normal runner (I’m fully aware I’m the weird abnormal one in this situation). Like I know a lot of people would love to run that time in a marathon and everything and it probably makes me look like an arse being pissed I ran that time but I also have my personal expectations and when I don’t live up to them it pisses me off. Maybe it’s a transfer of my coaching mindset I don’t know. It’s not even not running the 2:40. Honestly I could’ve lived with having run even a 2:55 yesterday if it meant I ran the whole thing. It was the fact that I had to stop repeatedly that gets to me. Same thing I ask of my kids. If you’re not always running your fastest that’s okay what I care about is the effort you give. Just feel like yesterday wasn’t my best effort.


Thinking on it I think I backed off of longer continuous workouts too soon. My body definitely wasn’t able to process the lactic acid as well as it should’ve been. Even though I felt great running those 6:36/37 paced runs last week that was probably a bit too much and I probably should’ve forced myself to take it easy. I also wonder how much being sick a few weeks ago threw things off. That was a pretty crucial week and taking 5/6 days off in that period probably wasn’t great.
Posted by BilbeauTBaggins
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 1:49 pm to
How do yall feel about the Asics Nimbus 25s? I just got my first pair of Asics in about 4 years and these feel super plush. I got them because they were somewhat similar to the Nike Invincible 3s, but these have a much less rigid upper and slightly more stable.
Posted by jordan21210
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 2:13 pm to
I have a little over 100 miles on mine, really like them. Only concern is they may feel a little mushy and warm during the summer.
Posted by Pedro
Geaux Hawks
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 2:50 pm to
I’ve definitely experienced some runs/races where I felt worse two days later than I did the next day. I’m sure there’s outside factors that contribute.
Posted by BilbeauTBaggins
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 10:52 pm to
Did 5 miles with the stroller after the rain down here. They felt fun. No lower leg soreness so far. Couldn’t really push but when jogging with the stroller I have to cut my stride up and I felt a tiny bit of slippage. I’m sure most of that was because of having to shorten my stride. Overall a very neat shoe.
Posted by Pedro
Geaux Hawks
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Posted on 4/30/24 at 12:29 pm to
I like the changes theyve amde to the nimbus/kayano. I wasnt a huge fan of the old gel cushioning. theres still other shoes i like better for myself but theyre not a bad shoe.
Posted by BilbeauTBaggins
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Posted on 4/30/24 at 1:28 pm to
I can see how they're similar to the Invincible 3s. This upper feels closer to a sock fit. I wear insoles so the added stability feels good. Slightly more weight with the insole but it's not bad. I prefer a little weight when doing runs that aren't interval workouts.
Posted by Pedro
Geaux Hawks
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Posted on 5/2/24 at 9:04 am to
day 5 post run. can finally walk without feeling like my calves are going to rip apart
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 5/2/24 at 9:10 am to
This reinforces my 'no marathon' stance. I feel like anything over a half marathon is diminishing returns.
Posted by Pedro
Geaux Hawks
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Posted on 5/2/24 at 9:27 am to
I felt rough after grandmas but not like this. think spending a majority of the last ten miles in lactic hell took its toll on me.
Posted by BilbeauTBaggins
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Posted on 5/2/24 at 9:56 am to
quote:

I feel like anything over a half marathon is diminishing returns.

Once I get to a reasonable weight and pace, I will probably sign up for a half marathon. I can see why people do full marathons. It's a bucket list thing. I don't judge people for setting up personal workout goals. It's a healthy thing to do. The actual marathon race is incredibly stressful on the body but it's not like normal people are running marathons every week.
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