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re: Darius garland or Trae young

Posted by shel311 on 5/16/24 at 7:20 pm
[quote]Zion may be the best pick and roll big to ever play[/quote]The weird thing is, he's one of the worst screeners and roll dudes in the league. Makes no sense as big and strong as he is that he won't set solid screens. Also makes no sense he's not a beast on the roll, but he's not. He shou...

re: Darius garland or Trae young

Posted by shel311 on 5/16/24 at 5:21 pm
[quote]Young being able to put up "27/10" is nice and all, but his usage rate goes up and his efficiency goes down in shooting.[/quote]The thought process here is less usage and thus higher efficiency. Some folks say he refuses less usage, but I'm not sure the facts agree. The previous 4 season...
[quote]Even though technically hes won before? [/quote]Right, he's not a winning player, but then want another guy who has done less winning playing with a dude who is also better than you, a luxury Trae did not have when he did more winning. :dunno:...

re: Darius garland or Trae young

Posted by shel311 on 5/16/24 at 3:27 pm
[quote]I don't know, the fit is actually really good. Its just some of the other stuff IMO.[/quote]Garland isn't exactly a good fit in the sense that he becomes your #2 at $40mil a year and is not good enough to be a #2, so how do we become a contender with your #2 not good enough and on that sa...

re: Darius garland or Trae young

Posted by shel311 on 5/16/24 at 2:18 pm
[quote]Murray is extremely interesting to me. He was a dude in San Antonio, I feel like if you get him into a system he could return to that San Antonio form, but it's risky. If we could somehow guarantee San Antonio Murray I may put him above all of them. [/quote]The shooting efficiency worries me...

re: Darius garland or Trae young

Posted by shel311 on 5/16/24 at 2:08 pm
[quote]Trae has the highest ceiling, but also is high risk. Garland has a decent ceiling, but is also a risk with injury. Murray probably has the lowest ceiling, but also has the highest floor, IMO.[/quote]I like this, I'll probably steal it....

re: Darius garland or Trae young

Posted by shel311 on 5/16/24 at 2:06 pm
[quote]I'm sure if Garland was allowed to just sit on the ball all game, he could. Lots of guys could. BI probably even could. [/quote]They're not going to get MORE efficient if they are taking more shots, highly doubtful. ...

re: Darius garland or Trae young

Posted by shel311 on 5/16/24 at 2:04 pm
[quote]You could say the same with all of these guys, but Trae has the biggest volatility and the most likely chance to have his value completely tank. [/quote]Highest risk, but also highest reward. If you think about what is the most realistic upside/best case scenario with Trae/Garland/Murra...

re: Darius garland or Trae young

Posted by shel311 on 5/16/24 at 1:42 pm
[quote]Y'all are having a hard time not defining careers based off single playoffs runs, in this discussion [/quote]The idea that you'r arguing that zero playoff runs is better than 1 playoff run is laughable. :lol:...

re: Darius garland or Trae young

Posted by shel311 on 5/16/24 at 1:41 pm
[quote]I know he didn't get swept and embarrassed last year as the 8 seed averaging 29 and 10 in the 6 games it took Boston to put them away. [/quote]Garland didn't get swept, but otherwise, good point. Garland is better and can do all these things Trae can't, and yet he doesn't do them or co...

re: Darius garland or Trae young

Posted by shel311 on 5/16/24 at 1:38 pm
[quote]Garland can have a miracle-outlier 2nd round where Ben Simmons refuses to dunk a basketball, yes. [/quote]IF Garland can average 27 and 11, why doesn't he?...

re: Darius garland or Trae young

Posted by shel311 on 5/16/24 at 1:37 pm
[quote]yeah only me[/quote]Only you what? I didn't say only you thought that. I'm aware of those player rankings, I post em probably more than anyone else on here. I basically said no logical argument can be made that BI is better than Trae. So, whoever from the Ringer that votes on that, we c...
[quote]See my post above... I don't think there is that. I'm under the impression that we're kind of stuck and fricked.[/quote]Gotcha And I do agree. But maybe where we differ is IMO that is THE reason why we should go out and get Trae Young. We're stuck, so swing for the fences. Take the h...

re: Darius garland or Trae young

Posted by shel311 on 5/16/24 at 12:26 pm
[quote]Possibly. The BI hate is getting a little extreme.[/quote]For some folks, yes. But saying Trae is better than BI is the literal opposite of extreme lol. There's no realistic world where any argument can be made that BI is better than Trae. SFP will fail at that, 100% of the time....

re: Darius garland or Trae young

Posted by shel311 on 5/16/24 at 12:24 pm
[quote]Correct, with BI being better [/quote] :rotflmao:...

re: Darius garland or Trae young

Posted by shel311 on 5/16/24 at 12:24 pm
[quote]I think this is the disconnect. Given everything involved, on and off the court, I don't think Trae is a top 25 player. I think he's closer to 40 than he is 25, to be honest. I would have him somewhere between 32-36ish. I would have BI pretty close to that as well.[/quote]But that doesn't mak...
[quote]I'd also argue that Trae Young is more of a star in name than in production. [/quote]27 and 10 since his rookie year Without looking, I'd guess there are exactly 0 players in the NBA who have averaged at least 27ppg and 10apg over the past 5 seasons. The production is there, man.[quot...
[quote]Yeah, but the endgame is a higher upside with other stars or other good players. [/quote]Nah Trae is the high risk/high reward play Garland/Murray are the safer bets. Less likely that it crashes and burns spectacularly, but not the upside of Trae....
[quote]I just don't see how a dude who has been the guy everywhere he has been since high school will suddenly be ok being relegated to #2. This isn't 2K[/quote]That's not something that has never happened before though. We've seen this.[quote]it will take at least one season and some of a second se...

re: Darius garland or Trae young

Posted by shel311 on 5/16/24 at 11:52 am
[quote]Garland can't hear this discussion b/c he's in the 2nd round of the playoffs[/quote]He's in Cancun And also, Garland was a complete non factor in these playoffs, scoring 15 or less in 9 of 12 games. ...