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Apparently celibacy for priests is NBD
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:36 am
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:36 am
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TL;DR - Priest fools around with HS senior. She complained decades later. Aymond continues to assign him after investigation finds priest violated celibacy vow.
So basically he fooled around with a HS senior who was a parishioner, but at the time she was not a "minor". it appears to have been consensual.
How are they still in bankruptcy? More and more I believe the bankruptcy was simply a way to avoid having to settle and talk about sexual issues.
And people wonder why faith in the Church is lower than ever.
TL;DR - Priest fools around with HS senior. She complained decades later. Aymond continues to assign him after investigation finds priest violated celibacy vow.
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The chaplain at Brother Martin High School abruptly left his post earlier this month, just days after the school was notified of allegations that he kissed and fondled a Mt. Carmel Academy senior in 1990 while serving at another local Catholic institution, according to multiple sources with direct knowledge of the situation.
The Rev. Paul Hart was assigned by Archbishop Gregory Aymond to serve as Brother Martin’s chaplain in 2017, after a church investigation four years earlier confirmed the sexual misconduct but determined the student was not a minor under church law.
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According to multiple sources, Brother Martin was unaware of the past abuse claims and was tipped off early this month.
Then, on Jan. 13, the archdiocese was formally asked to notify the school of the church investigation into claims Hart had engaged in sexual contact with a student. She was 17, and he was in his late 30s.
That investigation determined that Hart broke church laws mandating that priests practice celibacy. But the probe stopped short of finding that Hart had sexually abused a minor.
That's because church officials gave precedent to the canon law that was in place at the time of the alleged abuse, which considered 16 the age of majority, even though the U.S. Catholic Church had adopted policies in 2002 that instructed church leaders to consider anyone younger than 18 as underage, the sources said.
So basically he fooled around with a HS senior who was a parishioner, but at the time she was not a "minor". it appears to have been consensual.
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When asked Monday about the investigation, the archdiocese declined to comment other than to say Hart retired on Jan. 6. The statement added that the archdiocese was barred from speaking about the case because of a federal court order, an apparent reference to a mandate associated with the church's Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing from May 2020, when it was faced with dozens of pending abuse-related lawsuits.
How are they still in bankruptcy? More and more I believe the bankruptcy was simply a way to avoid having to settle and talk about sexual issues.
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By 1990, he was allegedly spending his personal time with the student, and began kissing her, groping her chest, and at least once engaging in what church investigators described as “dry sex” — which involves people simulating intercourse with their clothes on — while in the rectory, the sources said.
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The complaint led to an internal investigation that lasted into 2013. Generally, Hart denied initiating contact but acknowledged there was some and that he may have even "released some semen," multiple sources said.
Aymond's internal clerical advisors determined, at a minimum, Hart had violated celibacy rules along with priest-parishioner boundaries, the sources said. A separate review board advising Aymond, which included lay members of the church, voted that Hart — by his own admission — had abused a minor.
But the case turned on a technicality: the definition of an adult under church law at the time of the sexual misconduct. That section of canon law set 16 as the age of adulthood, so — at the behest of his clerical advisors — Aymond indicated to the Vatican office which oversees clerical abuse cases that Hart had not abused a minor in this case, the sources said.
And people wonder why faith in the Church is lower than ever.
This post was edited on 1/19/22 at 7:37 am
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:40 am to LSUFanHouston
Where were these priests when….
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:41 am to LSUFanHouston
I am catholic and have been my entire life. We used to attend church every Sunday at least and I haven't been in 6 or seven years now. The attempted cover up on this sex scandal was too much for me.
If they would just let them get married 99.9% of this would go away. I really don't understand why this continues.
If they would just let them get married 99.9% of this would go away. I really don't understand why this continues.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:41 am to LSUFanHouston
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Priest fools around with HS senior. She complained decades later.
A priest having consensual sex with someone who isn't a minor is pretty low on my outrage meter. Especially decades after the fact.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:44 am to bbarras85
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If they would just let them get married 99.9% of this would go away. I really don't understand why this continues.
Yup. They're really cutting down on their pool of potential priests when part of it is vowing to never have sex. There's a reason so many priests seem a little off
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:44 am to LSUFanHouston
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Priest fools around with HS senior
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She complained decades later
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:47 am to bbarras85
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If they would just let them get married 99.9% of this would go away. I really don't understand why this continues.
Because the Catholic Church does not want to have to support wives and a family in a addition to the priests. It all about the mighty green. Then what happens in a divorce or death? How do they split the assets?
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:49 am to LSUFanHouston
the priest in question has brain cancer
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:51 am to bbarras85
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If they would just let them get married 99.9% of this would go away
Or just be a decent human being, and don’t diddle kids.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:52 am to Ingeniero
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Especially decades after the fact.
What about the many cases in many parts of the world that involves little boys, and not just an age of consent female?
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:53 am to BigPerm30
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Because the Catholic Church does not want to have to support wives and a family in a addition to the priests. It all about the mighty green. Then what happens in a divorce or death? How do they split the assets?
Other religions have figured out how to allow their religious leaders to marry. Other religions encourage their men of god to procreate and raise children in their respective faiths.
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Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:53 am to LSUFanHouston
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And people wonder why faith in the Church is lower than ever
Churches may let us down but God never will.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:54 am to Loup
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There's a reason so many priests seem a little off
That's one way of putting it.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:55 am to BigPerm30
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Because the Catholic Church does not want to have to support wives and a family in a addition to the priests. It all about the mighty green. Then what happens in a divorce or death? How do they split the assets?
Pre-nups exist.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:55 am to LSUFanHouston
Dry sex doesn’t seem very fun
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:57 am to bbarras85
quote:marry... men? these guys are sick frick perverts, not just normal horny guys
If they would just let them get married 99.9% of this would go away.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:57 am to LSUFanHouston
Priests are humans too and sin just like all of us. Certainly there are some sins that are serious and dangerous enough to remove the priest. This may be one of those.
For those calling for priests to be married, I’m failing to see the connection between getting married and not committing sexual sin/crimes. I think we’ve all seen plenty of married teachers abuse children. Plus most married guys aren’t getting it very often.
For those calling for priests to be married, I’m failing to see the connection between getting married and not committing sexual sin/crimes. I think we’ve all seen plenty of married teachers abuse children. Plus most married guys aren’t getting it very often.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:58 am to bbarras85
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If they would just let them get married 99.9% of this would go away. I really don't understand why this continues.
That is outright wrong. The Protestant churches (which allow married clergy) Have higher incidents of sexual abuse, school teachers (which allow marriage) have as high a rate of abuse. Both of those groups show that fact by insurance claim payments to victims.
This isn’t solely a Catholic thing not because priests can’t marry.
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