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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 12/18/23 at 3:11 pm to
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
18018 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 3:11 pm to
A new poll in Ukraine got some headlines last week by showing that only 62% of Ukrainians trust Zelensky. Why? Many think that he isn't doing enough to combat corruption.

I am a strong supporter of Ukraine, and I think that the millions of dollars that we are spending to track our donations (including putting a number of US military accountants in Kyiv) is more than adequate to ensure that US resources are being used properly, but there's a new article in Business Insider that is worth reading.

LINK

The article highlights a number of concerns about Zelensky's right-hand man, Andriy Yermak, and questions whether the Zelensky government is pushing out an old generation of oligarchs -- only to usher in a new group.

I'm not going to excerpt the article. It's too long, and it deserves to be read in full. Some of my fellow supporters of Ukraine may dislike the hard-hitting nature of the piece, but this is the kind of sunlight that is necessary for Ukraine to continue to receive the kind of aid that it needs, even if it also feeds the arguments of Ukraine's detractors in the meantime.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124337 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 3:39 pm to
quote:

Russia is having to train women as combat aircraft pilots.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
5804 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 6:53 pm to
Not sure if this has been posted yet but this is a pretty big deal. Germany is permanently deploying troops for the first time since WWII. They will be sending 4800 troops to be stationed in Lithuania starting in 2024 with full build up by 2027. That has to be a stick in Putin’s arse. Now we will undoubtedly get the usual Russian bullshite threats since Lithuania borders Kaliningrad. It’s actually pretty funny since he’s had to basically strip many of Kaliningrad’s air defense systems to replace destroyed S-300 and S-400s in Ukraine.

LINK
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
3756 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 8:12 pm to
ISW Update

quote:

Key Takeaways:

A combination of artillery ammunition shortages and delays in the provision of Western security assistance is likely causing Ukrainian forces to husband materiel and may delay future Ukrainian counteroffensive operations.

Ukrainian Commander-in-Chief General Valerii Zaluzhnyi declined to comment on recent Western reporting about Ukrainian counteroffensive and Russian offensive plans for 2024.

Ukrainian Air Force Spokesperson Colonel Yuriy Ihnat stated on December 18 that Russian forces have enough drones to launch daily strikes against Ukraine from different directions.

The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) is reportedly forming four new military transport aviation (VTA) regiments, although these efforts are likely aimed at reorganizing existing VTA units in support of Russia’s force posturing rather than adding new capability in the short term.

The Russian Government Commission on Legislative Activity supported a bill that would criminalize “Russophobia” abroad, likely as part of ongoing efforts to maintain and increase Russian influence in post-Soviet countries.

Russian officials simplified requirements to obtain Russian citizenship for Belarusian, Kazakh, and Moldovan citizens amid continued hostility towards migrants in Russian society.

The European Union (EU) adopted its 12th sanctions package in connection with Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

Russian forces continued offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, near Avdiivka, west and southwest of Donetsk City, and in western Zaporizhia Oblast and made a confirmed advance southwest of Donetsk City.

Former Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) People’s Militia Spokesperson Eduard Basurin claimed that more than 25,000 Russian personnel are serving with Cossack volunteer formations in Ukraine as of December 18.

Kremlin-appointed Children’s Rights Commissioner Maria Lvova-Belova continues to deny Russian and Belarusian involvement in the forced deportation of Ukrainian children from occupied areas.


Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
5804 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 10:16 pm to
Germany has placed an order for $400 million worth of 155 mm artillery shells for Ukraine. It seems to me the Germans of all people are becoming the first to realize this is going to be a prolonged war. If we are going by the average shell cost of an American made 155 shell it’s in the range of $500-$650 each then that would mean 650,000-800,000 shells. i’ve seen a few articles that are saying a single 155 mm shell in Europe is between $3200-$5000 euros each which is absolutely ridiculous.

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This post was edited on 12/18/23 at 10:23 pm
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
2630 posts
Posted on 12/19/23 at 3:55 am to
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
19 December 2023

On 14 December 2023, the Russian Air Force highly likely carried out the first use of a AS-24 KILLJOY air launched ballistic missile since August 2023. Russia launched at least one missile into central Ukraine, likely targeting a military airfield.

One of the six 'super weapons' President Putin announced in 2018, KILLJOY has been ear-marked to play a major role in Russia's future military doctrine. In the Ukraine war, Russia has reserved the weapon for what it perceives as high value, well defended targets.

KILLJOY has almost certainly had a mixed combat debut. Many of its launches have likely missed their intended targets, while Ukraine has also succeeded in intercepting attacks by this supposedly 'undefeatable' system.
Posted by Athanatos
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
8141 posts
Posted on 12/19/23 at 4:38 am to
Isn’t the purpose of the defense production act to spur production? It’s almost inconceivable to me that the US (and Europe) can’t send more shells than Ukraine can shoot after two years of war.

As the Arsenal of Democracy, our production ability is shameful. How technically difficult is it to make a standard shell?
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
18018 posts
Posted on 12/19/23 at 5:18 am to
quote:

our production ability is shameful.


Yes, it is. And it underscores how poorly we're prepared for a protracted war.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19464 posts
Posted on 12/19/23 at 5:35 am to
quote:

It’s almost inconceivable to me that the US (and Europe) can’t send more shells than Ukraine can shoot after two years of war.


Our procurement system is in really bad shape and hasn’t worked well since the end of the Cold War. Our military manufacturing base is also much smaller than it was in 90.

The arsenal of democracy doesn’t exist as you imagine it.
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
21544 posts
Posted on 12/19/23 at 6:16 am to
Hopefully, the next President will fix that immediately.
Posted by LSU7096
Houston
Member since May 2004
2503 posts
Posted on 12/19/23 at 7:28 am to
Fiona Hill was involved in covering up the blackmail used to halt investigation of Burisma and you are using here as a source!!!
Posted by LSU7096
Houston
Member since May 2004
2503 posts
Posted on 12/19/23 at 9:03 am to
Union workers have ruined the Mic.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
5804 posts
Posted on 12/19/23 at 9:07 am to
The United24 fundraising group purchased 27 M113 APCs for Ukraine’s armed forces.

LINK
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40215 posts
Posted on 12/19/23 at 9:30 am to
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American made 155 shell it’s in the range of $500-$650 each then that would mean 650,000-800,000 shells. i’ve seen a few articles that are saying a single 155 mm shell in Europe is between $3200-$5000 euros


1. Why did you put a dollar sign and euros on the same figure?

2. Just another example of how Western European socialism and nanny state attitudes raise the cost of everything. I wonder how many the American factories pay for electricity and how much the European ones pay?
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
5804 posts
Posted on 12/19/23 at 11:37 am to
That’s an absolutely great question. I’ll chalk that moment of stupidity up to complete exhaustion from work life, home life and just general Christmas time which is a bit of a pain in the arse this year. Nothing like timing out in Anchorage before you can get off the ground on the home leg. My apologies, normally i try to actually re-read what i type before posting.
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
82603 posts
Posted on 12/19/23 at 11:38 am to
Mates, with all the discouraging news lately, I thought I'd send this message of support from JP Sears, who still stands firmly with Ukraine and the MIC
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23915 posts
Posted on 12/19/23 at 11:49 am to
quote:

Hopefully, the next President will fix that immediately.

I’d like to see the current administration and current congress get the ball rolling now.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
58317 posts
Posted on 12/19/23 at 12:03 pm to
quote:

As the Arsenal of Democracy, our production ability is shameful. How technically difficult is it to make a standard shell?


With our modern military and the way WE would fight a war ourselves, are shells really something that should matter much to us? I wouldn’t think we would use many.
This post was edited on 12/19/23 at 1:31 pm
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40215 posts
Posted on 12/19/23 at 12:42 pm to
quote:

The article highlights a number of concerns about Zelensky's right-hand man, Andriy Yermak, and questions whether the Zelensky government is pushing out an old generation of oligarchs -- only to usher in a new group. I'm not going to excerpt the article. It's too long, and it deserves to be read in full. Some of my fellow supporters of Ukraine may dislike the hard-hitting nature of the piece, but this is the kind of sunlight that is necessary for Ukraine to continue to receive the kind of aid that it needs, even if it also feeds the arguments of Ukraine's detractors in the meantime.


I have not had a chance to read it yet but I plan on it. Nothing could make me dislike shining light on the corruption problems in Ukraine. It needs to be exposed in order to be cleaned up. I for one have never thought that Ukraine was not a corrupt country. Instead, I see it as a corrupt country that is trying to improve in its corruption and its less corrupt than it was in say 2012. However, it still has a long way to go.
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
1340 posts
Posted on 12/19/23 at 1:24 pm to
agreed. clean out the corruption- it has to be done if Ukraine is going to have a future with western affiliation.
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