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re: Give Your take/Opinion/Thoughts on what you think college football needs to do -Playoffs
Posted on 5/12/22 at 1:07 pm to 4TheLoveLSU
Posted on 5/12/22 at 1:07 pm to 4TheLoveLSU
You do realize those NCAA fricks just said it's staying 4?
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Posted on 5/12/22 at 1:12 pm to tigerfoot
Yeah we have already had the 3rd place SEC team in a 4 team playoff multiple times and these people want 8 12 and 16 team scenarios.What a shite show
Posted on 5/12/22 at 9:37 pm to 4TheLoveLSU
4 is enough. You want in? Win your conference like LSU did in 2019.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 9:50 am to 4TheLoveLSU
16 is the number if you are going to have a true playoff. Play on Campus and seed 1 thru 16. 1 thru 8 hosts and 9 thru 16 travels (1 plays 16 etc). Higher seeds host until Championship Game. The Championship Game is bid on and rotated annually. You would need 5 spots for p5 conference champions and have 11 at large. You could include several G5 schools that way and with 14 teams the SEC would have room to be fairly represented.
You start the playoff soon after the end of the regular season and conference championship games. The Bowls would not be part of this.
Bowls are dead and need to be separate. They could be a consolation to teams not making the Playoffs just like the NIT is a consolation for teams which don’t go to the NCAA Tournament.
You start the playoff soon after the end of the regular season and conference championship games. The Bowls would not be part of this.
Bowls are dead and need to be separate. They could be a consolation to teams not making the Playoffs just like the NIT is a consolation for teams which don’t go to the NCAA Tournament.
This post was edited on 5/13/22 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 5/13/22 at 10:19 am to 4TheLoveLSU
Tournament of champions:
8 teams
Conference champions
Seeded by SOS
No byes
No wildcards
8 teams
Conference champions
Seeded by SOS
No byes
No wildcards
Posted on 5/13/22 at 11:16 am to dmatt2021
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You want something to cheer for watch the regular season an quit trying to turn college into the NFL.What a joke of a take.
Just being realistic. I didn't make this like the NFL, the BCS did by creating their Championship. That made every other bowl meaningless. So now that things are the way they are, go ahead and change things up completely. The bowls are dead, make a playoff.
For the record, I loved the bowls growing up in the 80's. Some of my best memories were of teams just MAKING IT to the Sugar and Orange bowls. Fast forward to today... I don't consider the 2018 season memorable at all. Hell, we made the Fiesta, which should have been a big deal. Nobody cared, and half the stars on that team left before the bowl. We played with backup WRs in the secondary.
It can't keep being like that.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 11:22 am to Scoob
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So now that things are the way they are, go ahead and change things up completely. The bowls are dead, make a playoff.
Can you design a CFB playoff that doesn't use any form of opinion poll?
It seems to me that you should either have a playoff OR opinion polls, not both.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 12:27 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:No, I don't think I could.quote:
So now that things are the way they are, go ahead and change things up completely. The bowls are dead, make a playoff.
Can you design a CFB playoff that doesn't use any form of opinion poll?
It seems to me that you should either have a playoff OR opinion polls, not both.
A lot of college football is the 'eyeball test'. Before you bitch about it, remember- LSU 2001 team. Again, that was an 8-3 regular season team. If you go strictly by record and numbers, that team doesn't make it. No chance to even make a playoff, should be no chance at winning a single game. But look at the post-season:
31-20 over #2 Tennessee (10-1), and this with our starting QB injured.
47-34 over #7 Illinois (10-1 and Big Ten champ).
Eyeball test says that team could play with anyone. A Top 4 seed (ie Tennessee
) would NOT want to see that first round matchup. And look further at that team- was 2-2 to start the season. You do that today, the team quits and you're lucky to finish .500, because the year is already toast.
12 or 16 team playoffs, you're not out after 4 games.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 12:50 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Can you design a CFB playoff that doesn't use any form of opinion poll?
Yeah, you just use an even number of conferences and seed all the conference champs in the playoffs. Then, you have the conferences matched up against each other rather than seed the teams based on record for the first round.
Right now there are 10 conferences. PAC 12, SEC, ACC, Big 10, Big 12, American, Sun Belt, CUSA, Mountain West, and the MAC. It appears that CUSA is about to fold, leaving 9. What I would do is demote back to FCS enough teams to get everything down to 8 conferences, and force all indies to join a conference, seed those 8 conference champs in a tournament, and the playoff would basically be taking what used to be the traditional BCS bowl game matchups and simply adding games after. You could essentially re-seed the teams after the first round or have the bracket pre-determined not by polls, but by conference affiliation (i.e. the Big 12 always plays the SEC in the Sugar, the Pac 12 always plays the Big 10 in the Rose, etc.
Even if you assume 10 conferences, you can have essentially a play-in tournament for the G5 conference champs with 4 conference champs competing for 2 spots.
How would that have played out last year?
Your conference champs were:
MAC: Northern Illinois
CUSA: UTSA
Sunbelt: ULL
Mountain West: Utah St
American: Cincinnati
Big 12: Baylor
Big 10: Michigan
PAC 12: Utah
ACC: Pitt
SEC: Alabama
So, after Championship Week, the MAC champ Northern Illinois would have played the Sunbelt Champ ULL. The Mountain West Champ Utah St, would have played UTSA.
The winners of those games play in the Fiesta bowl on New Years Day.
On New Years:
The Orange Bowl would feature the ACC Champ Pitt taking on the American Champ Cincinnati.
The Sugar Bowl has the Big 12 Champ Baylor vs the SEC Champ Alabama.
The Rose Bowl has the Pac 12 Champ Utah verses the Big 10 Champ Michigan.
The Fiesta Bowl has the winners of the play-in. Let’s assume Utah St verses ULL.
The next round could be where the Peach features the winner of the Orange verses the Sugar; and the Cotton which has the winner of the Rose verses the winner of the Fiesta, and finally, a championship game.
This system would add games, but if you eliminate the FCS game from the regular season, only a G5 team reaching the title game would play an additional game to what a playoff champ plays now. This would inevitably change some outcomes as mulligans of conference championship games (Alabama vs Georgia) or conference regular season games (Alabama vs LSU) wouldn’t be possible. In addition, Notre Dame would have to join a conference to have a path.
What this essentially creates is a 20 team playoff decided by conference standings, which are mathematical and in no way based on human polls. Every team in a conference starts out with a realistic chance at a title. Teams are eliminated on the field of play rather than public opinion, and teams in weaker conferences have to play more games to make it to the semis.
The biggest flaw in this system, imo, is that it makes OOC games irrelevant, something which will need tweaking, or else the first few games of the year will be essentially treated like pre-season games.
This post was edited on 5/13/22 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 5/13/22 at 12:50 pm to Scoob
quote:
A lot of college football is the 'eyeball test'.
Then they should just stick with awarding the championship trophy via polls like they've done for most of CFB's history.
quote:
Before you bitch about it, remember- LSU 2001 team. Again, that was an 8-3 regular season team. If you go strictly by record and numbers, that team doesn't make it. No chance to even make a playoff, should be no chance at winning a single game. But look at the post-season:
31-20 over #2 Tennessee (10-1), and this with our starting QB injured.
47-34 over #7 Illinois (10-1 and Big Ten champ).
Eyeball test says that team could play with anyone. A Top 4 seed (ie Tennessee ) would NOT want to see that first round matchup.
I'm not sure how that is an argument against a tournament of champions.
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And look further at that team- was 2-2 to start the season. You do that today, the team quits and you're lucky to finish .500, because the year is already toast.
12 or 16 team playoffs, you're not out after 4 games.
That's a point in favor of just letting conference champions in the playoffs. If you just took conference champions, teams wouldn't quit as long as they have a shot just to win their conference.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 12:57 pm to kingbob
Looks promising, but I'm not understanding this part:
seed the conference champs in the playoffs rather than seed the teams based off of record?
Are you saying that the champs of the highest conference SOS would get the #1 seed, instead of just the highest SOS team?
Why not just seed the teams based on team SOS? That way OOC games - especially big ones - would count towards the seeding.
Even with an odd number of conferences, seeding based on SOS would simply leave the weakest SOS team out.
But overall, I'm in favor of a no-opinion poll, tournament of champions to determine the national champ.
quote:
you just use an even number of conferences and seed all the conference champs in the playoffs. Then, you have the conferences matched up against each other rather than seed the teams based on record for the first round.
seed the conference champs in the playoffs rather than seed the teams based off of record?
Are you saying that the champs of the highest conference SOS would get the #1 seed, instead of just the highest SOS team?
quote:
The biggest flaw in this system, imo, is that it makes OOC games irrelevant, something which will need tweaking, or else the first few games of the year will be essentially treated like pre-season games.
Why not just seed the teams based on team SOS? That way OOC games - especially big ones - would count towards the seeding.
Even with an odd number of conferences, seeding based on SOS would simply leave the weakest SOS team out.
But overall, I'm in favor of a no-opinion poll, tournament of champions to determine the national champ.
This post was edited on 5/13/22 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 5/13/22 at 1:19 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:
Are you saying that the champs of the highest conference SOS would get the #1 seed, instead of just the highest SOS team?
No, there is no poll, there is no ranking, and there is no strength of schedule. What conference champ plays what other conference champ is pre-determined and baked into the structure, much like how traditional bowl ties used to work before the BCS. The Pac 12 Champ always played the Big 10 Champ in the Rose Bowl. The SEC Champ always played in the Sugar Bowl. Rather than abandon those bowl tie-ins as a relic of the past, you bake them into the system and remove the arbitrary human “eye tests” from the equation all-together.
Imagine a scenario where a 12-0 SEC West Division Champ plays against a 9-3 East Division Champ in the conference title game. Meanwhile the Big 12 Championship game features two 10-2 teams. No matter who wins the SEC Championship game or the Big 12 Championship game, the winners will be matched up against each other in the Sugar Bowl.
The reality is that the biggest impediment to the playoff is the Rose Bowl. They want their prestige and to be played on New Years Day featuring their traditional teams. CFB’s strength is it’s pageantry, traditions, and rivalries. Rather than throw out the Rose Bowl as the Big 10 vs Pac 12 Champ on New Years Day, I decided to imagine a system that EMBRACES this tradition rather than sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
This post was edited on 5/13/22 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 5/13/22 at 1:26 pm to kingbob
quote:
No, there is no poll, there is no ranking, and there is no strength of schedule. What conference champ plays what other conference champ is pre-determined and baked into the structure, much like how traditional bowl ties used to work before the BCS. The Pac 12 Champ always played the Big 10 Champ in the Rose Bowl. The SEC Champ always played in the Sugar Bowl. Rather than abandon those bowl tie-ins as a relic of the past, you bake them into the system and remove the arbitrary human “eye tests” from the equation all-together.
Imagine a scenario where a 12-0 SEC West Division Champ plays against a 9-3 East Division Champ in the conference title game. Meanwhile the Big 12 Championship game features two 10-2 teams. No matter who wins the SEC Championship game or the Big 12 Championship game, the winners will be matched up against each other in the Sugar Bowl.
The reality is that the biggest impediment to the playoff is the Rose Bowl. They want their prestige and to be played on New Years Day featuring their traditional teams. CFB’s strength is it’s pageantry, traditions, and rivalries. Rather than throw out the Rose Bowl as the Big 10 vs Pac 12 Champ on New Years Day, I decided to imagine a system that EMBRACES this tradition rather than sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
Excellent.
Consider me on board.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 1:56 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Ironically, I think the best way to set up a larger playoff, would also be to roll back conference alignment to the mid-early 80's layout.
10 team SEC, Big Ten, Pac 10.
Restore the SWC and Big 8. ACC, if you want to leave Florida State in fine.
Recreate the Big East, but this time stick Penn State there (they were always considered the Beast of the East).
That's 7 major conference/groupings that could produce top seeds; then you have "the major independents" with Notre Dame, Miami, BYU, etc in the mix with the little conferences.
If you go 8 teams, you take one (the champ) from each conference, with the one at large as the final team.
If you go 12 or 16, that gives you more option to bring in a second team from a conference, and a Cinderella.
Would probably produce the most entertaining playoff scenario, pretty similar to the way the bowls were, with the addition that the winners play the next weekend.
10 team SEC, Big Ten, Pac 10.
Restore the SWC and Big 8. ACC, if you want to leave Florida State in fine.
Recreate the Big East, but this time stick Penn State there (they were always considered the Beast of the East).
That's 7 major conference/groupings that could produce top seeds; then you have "the major independents" with Notre Dame, Miami, BYU, etc in the mix with the little conferences.
If you go 8 teams, you take one (the champ) from each conference, with the one at large as the final team.
If you go 12 or 16, that gives you more option to bring in a second team from a conference, and a Cinderella.
Would probably produce the most entertaining playoff scenario, pretty similar to the way the bowls were, with the addition that the winners play the next weekend.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 2:53 pm to Scoob
quote:
one at large
a second team from a conference
Yeah, frick all that. If you don't win your conference, you shouldn't have a shot for the national title.
We're trying to pretend that "champion" means "best team".
Posted on 5/13/22 at 3:40 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:quote:
one at large
a second team from a conference
Yeah, frick all that. If you don't win your conference, you shouldn't have a shot for the national title.
We're trying to pretend that "champion" means "best team".
Did you even read my post through? "One at large" was in reference to making 7 conferences, taking their champs, which leaves one spot left. That would be up for grabs for Notre Dame, Miami (which I pulled out of the ACC), BYU, Boise UCF and all the minor conferences.
Ranting about a second team from a conference, I do understand the thought process. But you're going to have a hard time convincing people to limit that. Consider, the SEC champ has played an SEC team 3 times for the title, and is 0-3 in those games.
If you absolutely hate that notion, then the 8 team playoff with 7 big conferences and a spot for the best of everyone else is the way to go.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 4:02 pm to Scoob
quote:
"One at large" was in reference to making 7 conferences, taking their champs, which leaves one spot left. That would be up for grabs for Notre Dame, Miami (which I pulled out of the ACC), BYU, Boise UCF and all the minor conferences.
Yeah, I get all that. There are currently 10 FBS conferences. I would rather just make 8 conferences from those, and not have to drop down to 7 conferences.
Or trim the P5 down to P4 and go with a 4-team tournament of champions.
I know everyone says they want wildcard/at-large teams, but I just think it would be best for college football in general to maintain one team from each of 4 or 8 conferences, and avoid piling on all the teams from one region of the country, that's sure to kill the goose.
quote:
Consider, the SEC champ has played an SEC team 3 times for the title, and is 0-3 in those games.
Yes, which, for the first time in my life, has made SEC football championships utterly meaningless.
quote:
the 8 team playoff with 7 big conferences and a spot for the best of everyone else is the way to go.
That would probably be the best for the future of CFB.
The main problem is that fans just want a system that they think gives their team the best chance to just get in in playoffs, and not the system that would actually be best for the long-term success of college football.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 4:08 pm to Ampipe96
Big fan of this for the last 30 years!
Posted on 5/13/22 at 4:15 pm to Ampipe96
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the top 4 teams receiving byes
Why, as a fan of football, would you ever recommend that teams have byes?
I've never understood this. As a fan, I wants as many games as possible. I like actually watching football games being played. I hate byes in the regular season, and I hate byes in the playoffs.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 5:25 pm to kingbob
It appears you can speak only from the Overton Window of fiat script. The 100K compensation in kind is a fantasy on several levels. For most football players it is useless. Why not just give them the money? College education is largely a joke today with majors like interpretive dance and gender studies to name only two completely absurd subjects. There is not even the pretense of teaching skills like logic. The fact is that the most useful undertakings require no college. We would be better off with guilds and apprenticeships compared to the lies that pass for academia today.
Better that college athletics die than continue to operate as a scam.
Better that college athletics die than continue to operate as a scam.
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