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re: For those criticizing the offensive scheme...

Posted on 10/8/22 at 8:03 pm to
Posted by armytiger33
Vestavia Hills, Alabama
Member since Jan 2010
351 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 8:03 pm to
We generally can’t pass or run efficiently
Posted by JackHuntQB
Shreveport
Member since Oct 2013
507 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 8:05 pm to
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... what do you believe we are doing wrong?


Learn how to kick extra point and punt football on 4th down…
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
7612 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 8:08 pm to
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I guarantee you that burrow would of scored 40 points or more with the same exact plays.


2018 tells a different story. We struggled in most games against SEC competition to score 30, hell even 20 was tough for some games. Tell me, are our offensive plays in 2022 more similar to 2018 or 2019?

Posted by 23hella
STL
Member since Feb 2014
1234 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 8:10 pm to
You often see other teams throw bubble screens, do little shuttle passes, and generally just very quick hitting stuff. Do not see it often enough from LSU
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
24276 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 8:12 pm to
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Actually the plays are fine. Just don't seem that way because we don't have a quarterback that can execute the play calls. I guarantee you that burrow would of scored 40 points or more with the same exact plays. Also would help if the receivers catch the ball when it hits their hands.

No, they are not fine for our personnel because we don't have Burrow and we need more creativity. And in the 2019 offense, we barely ever subbed guys and that made it hard for defenses because they couldn't sub anyone in when we had matchups we were exploiting.
Posted by RightWingTiger
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2003
5319 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 8:15 pm to
Im not sure ive seen Daniels throw a perfect pass that hits the WR/RB/TE in stride. Its ALWAYS high, low, behind, in front or over their GD heads!!!
Posted by The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
3676 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 8:16 pm to
Tenn CBs were playing like 5-8yrds off. We never attempted a simple screen/pitch and catch to get the ball to our athletes in space.

We have Zero creativity in the run game--basic read options or Off-tackle with no lead blocker.

One of the more dumb things to ever happen to college football was doing everything from shotgun---as great as 2019 was, we even saw that year we ran into issues in the run game sometimes because it was all shotgun.
Posted by des4271
Member since Oct 2014
4031 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 8:17 pm to
I agree with pretty much all of that, the problem becomes , you can not go to the well all the time on all those 5-10-15 yard routes. Just today a Tennessee db undercut an out route but missed picking it off. That’s the big problem with simplifying the offense, you limit what you do tremendously and make yourself very predictable.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37580 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 8:18 pm to
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not sure ive seen Daniels throw a perfect pass that hits the WR/RB/TE in stride. Its ALWAYS high, low, behind, in front or over their GD heads!!!


I can think of 3 he threw today. One for a first down backed up in the south endzone, one dropped at the end of the half, and another dropped driving to the south endzone.
Posted by logjamming
Member since Feb 2014
7833 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 8:19 pm to
Daniels is playing over Nuss because of his dynamic scrambling ability, yet the coaches call a game that doesn’t take advantage of his skill set.

We’re six games in. Daniels has proven he can’t read a defense and refuses to take advantage of open receivers or one on one match ups.

Either change QBs or start calling plays that highlight the Only skill set Daniels has.
Posted by ashy larry
Marcy Projects
Member since Mar 2010
5568 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 8:20 pm to
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Actually the plays are fine. Just don't seem that way because we don't have a quarterback that can execute the play calls. I guarantee you that burrow would of scored 40 points or more with the same exact plays. Also would help if the receivers catch the ball when it hits their hands.


Everyone needs to get it through their thick heads that there isn’t another Burrow. Have realistic expectations. A good OC would scheme around the players we have, not the players we had 3 years ago.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
423365 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 8:21 pm to
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That’s the big problem with simplifying the offense, you limit what you do tremendously and make yourself very predictable.

This isn't always true, especially if you are creative.

Mike Leach changed football by running a simple offense with a limited number of plays from different formations



Look at that play sheet
Posted by des4271
Member since Oct 2014
4031 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 8:28 pm to
If you have a very above average QB, then I may agree with you.
Posted by kwtiger70
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
829 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 8:30 pm to
The play calling is very unimaginative. And Daniel’s can’t execute the plays being called. The line is suffering from injuries and the receivers seem to be checked out most of the time. Esp Boutte. And is the TE the only receiver Daniel’s targets?
Posted by Oneforthemoney
New Iberia, La
Member since Dec 2013
1804 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 8:32 pm to
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what do you believe we are doing wrong?


Need to go 4 to 5 wide nearly every play. Ball should be out by 2seconds. Throw away long developing plays playbook. Throw slants and more slants. Throw medium throws over the middle over and over and over. Basically use Tennessee's playbook lol with tempo. You'll never get that with dinosaur denbrock though
Posted by MildManneredMadness
Member since Mar 2022
384 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 8:35 pm to
Where do we begin with this offense? The problems range from poor game plan seen in the play calling, execution, a QB that doesn’t make pre-snap and post-snap reads, poor throws, offensive line leaks, receivers dropping balls, speed and tempo are all a problem.
Posted by bobdylan
Cankton
Member since Aug 2018
1530 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 8:38 pm to
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Actually the plays are fine. Just don't seem that way because we don't have a quarterback that can execute the play calls


Then the plays are not fine. How many years did everyone crucify Les for trying to fit a square peg in a round hole?

Posted by Zachinrhodeisland
Rhode Island
Member since Sep 2022
109 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 8:41 pm to
That was a near last passing defense in all of CFB. Start your investigation there.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47992 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 8:45 pm to
It’s a very simple three word answer, Kelly and Denbrock.
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
27318 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 8:46 pm to
Zero tempo.

Zero creativity and misdirection in the run game.

It's extremely vanilla. Help your qb, who likes to run by rolling him out.

Did you see the shovel pass that heupel ran?

End around to receiver. It's not just the plays you call but when you call them too.

Denbrock sets nothing up.
This post was edited on 10/8/22 at 8:48 pm
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