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re: Im still a Matt Campbell guy
Posted on 11/26/23 at 11:00 am to Big4SALTbro
Posted on 11/26/23 at 11:00 am to Big4SALTbro
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Plus he can be 7-5 at UK and if he can beat one of UF,UT or UGA like once every few years no one is mad. Sunbelt Billy is currently his whipping boy. He goes 1-11 vs those teams above and UK is ok with it.
Is Stoops taking over the Matt Campbell thread too
He’s everywhere today.
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Posted on 11/26/23 at 11:02 am to misey94
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Is Stoops taking over the Matt Campbell thread too
They're kind of similar, along with Klieman.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 11:07 am to SlowFlowPro
Matt needs to beat Iowa
Posted on 11/26/23 at 11:09 am to S
Dude is a developmental program coach…would be eaten alive anywhere you have to play the recruiting game.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 11:11 am to SlowFlowPro
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They're kind of similar, along with Klieman.
I can’t say I agree with that. Kentucky was in a rough spot when Stoops took over, but they are not a historically bad program in the way that KSU and ISU were in the past. KSU was the worst program in FBS history before Bill Snyder took over and promptly slid back in that direction before he returned. ISU and Kansas pretty much took their place among the worst before Campbell and Leopold.
UK also has the SEC to sell, a lot more TV money at their disposal, more population, a better recruiting region (not great compared to the SEC, but better than the plains), etc.
In that light, Campbell and Kleiman have been a little more impressive and a better value for what they are paid.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 11:15 am to SlowFlowPro
I view stoops as a more matured aged Campbell.
Campbell is teetering on being a ISU lifer. He had nibbles from big schools recently and now nothing.
Stoops caused this board to go nuclear last year and aggy this year.
I would guess his numbers look an awful lot like Stoops when you dig in.
Campbell is teetering on being a ISU lifer. He had nibbles from big schools recently and now nothing.
Stoops caused this board to go nuclear last year and aggy this year.
I would guess his numbers look an awful lot like Stoops when you dig in.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 11:17 am to misey94
I feel like Kentucky is likely the 14th or 15th best job out of 16 in the sec.
Vandy is clearly the worst, next would either be UK or State. State has more in state talent, Kentucky has Ohio.
UK is above the likes of Kansas and k-state, Iowa state but not by a large gap.
Vandy is clearly the worst, next would either be UK or State. State has more in state talent, Kentucky has Ohio.
UK is above the likes of Kansas and k-state, Iowa state but not by a large gap.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 11:26 am to misey94
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In that light, Campbell and Kleiman have been a little more impressive and a better value for what they are paid.
Sure, but philosophically they're all similar. They're all "lunchpail" program builders, like Snyder.
They recruit a certain type of guy and are developers. They need time to develop their guys and don't typically succeed in recruiting elite talent.
They are perfect for backwater programs. I don't remember the last one of these guys to make it in big boy football.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 11:40 am to Big4SALTbro
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I feel like Kentucky is likely the 14th or 15th best job out of 16 in the sec. Vandy is clearly the worst, next would either be UK or State. State has more in state talent, Kentucky has Ohio. UK is above the likes of Kansas and k-state, Iowa state but not by a large gap.
Kentucky, Missouri, and South Carolina are all in a group above State and Vandy. None of them has a massive advantage over the others and all have some significant things that keep them where they are in the pecking order. But ALL of them are above .500 over their histories.
I put State below them all because it’s the 2nd school in a split state that has the lowest population in the SEC. It’s also one of the poorest. Not a good combination. They do have MS recruiting, but are at a disadvantage in every other way. The all-time record is at 594–609–39 (.494), but that’s after the best 30 year stretch in their program’s history. They were a doormat for a LONG time before Sherrill turned them around.
Iowa St- 554–669–46 (.455)
Kansas St- 569–670–41 (.461)
Look at those records. That’s playing against a shitty Big 8 with 2 great teams and 5 other also-rans for most of their history. Those records after Snyder and Campbell demonstrate that UK is definitely on a different tier than the bottom of the Public P5s. They are mediocre by SEC standards, but our standards are very different.
This post was edited on 11/26/23 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 11/26/23 at 11:44 am to IAmNERD
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His window slammed shut after the QB/LB guy and then Brock Purdy left.
He has a better QB now than Purdy.
Rocco Becht is probably the best freshman QB in the country.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 11:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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Sure, but philosophically they're all similar. They're all "lunchpail" program builders, like Snyder.
Snyder played enough of the recruiting game to make a couple of runs at titles.
I think you can definitely make that statement about Campbell. I’m not sure if Kleiman belongs in that box yet, though. He didn’t build or develop anything. He’s really been more of a caretaker since Snyder needed to actually retire and stay retired thjs time. He may be happy to embrace using more resources if given the right opportunity.
I don’t see Stoops the same way. Maybe he started out that way as he rebuilt UK. However, he wouldn’t be complaining to his admin about NIL and flirting with higher profile jobs if he were only interested in coaching his guys up.
I think Stoops’ main problem is that he’s become like Miles and Fulmer- a stubborn head coach who wants things 100% his way and won’t change or get out of his own way. He won’t put enough of a priority on offense to ever have a chance to take the next step.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:24 am to misey94
Agree that at only 44 years old he may not yet be the backwoods lifer some take him for at Iowa state
I think these developmental programs have it harder now that a player can transfer without sitting out. Such teams become dangerous when they redshirt in bunches, retain most, and get that special group of fifth-year seniors who are mature leaders. Those teams come around for those programs once or twice a decade and are a tough out because they are disciplined. If the best players on these teams want to test themselves against better schedules. They will become feeder schools
I think these developmental programs have it harder now that a player can transfer without sitting out. Such teams become dangerous when they redshirt in bunches, retain most, and get that special group of fifth-year seniors who are mature leaders. Those teams come around for those programs once or twice a decade and are a tough out because they are disciplined. If the best players on these teams want to test themselves against better schedules. They will become feeder schools
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:33 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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ISU is a better job in terms of job stability. Pays less, but Campbell has basically a lifetime job.
Iowa - where college coaches go to retire....
He'll probably end up like Ferentz and be there until they bury him.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:34 am to 1999
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would be eaten alive anywhere you have to play the recruiting game.
Why is that the assumption? He does what he has to do at Iowa State. Why would you think he couldn’t adjust?
Any coach at Iowa State is a developmental coach.
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