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re: NIL - the separation between college athletes and college students is immense

Posted on 1/4/24 at 2:50 pm to
Posted by LARancher1991
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 1/4/24 at 2:50 pm to
History of south japanese anime sounds like it would be a pretty difficult class
Posted by Nomadic Bengal
Member since Jul 2022
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Posted on 1/4/24 at 2:52 pm to
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never-did-nothing

It appears that you didn’t attend any school of merit.
Posted by LouisianimaI
Member since Dec 2023
576 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 2:57 pm to
That’s fine, just don’t call them student athletes. There ain’t no student about it. They are minor league football players now. Just call it what it is.
This post was edited on 1/4/24 at 2:58 pm
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 1/4/24 at 3:04 pm to
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Most don’t even belong on campus academically.


We went on visits to 5 SEC schools this summer and I inquired about minimum ACT scores for my son…literally, just take the ACT is what we were told. At UGA they said the student average was low 30’s…for football players they said the average is…20 (which is probably just what they say). How on earth do they compete in the classroom? My son isn’t going to UGA, but damn…how would he even find enough classes to pass?
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 1/4/24 at 3:25 pm to
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Why?
Money
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Please explain in detail with credible source citation why you believe someone who can play a child’s game is more deserving than a liberal arts major.
Someone is willing to give the person who plays a child's game lots of money. No one is willing to give the liberal arts major lots of money.

Very simple economics, the athlete is quite literally more deserving than the liberal arts major in your hypothetical because if they were equally deserving, the free market would show that they get the same amount of money to do what they do.
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Your feelings of “but I like muh football and I think libral arts is dumb” are irrelevant.
Seems like you're the one arguing on feelings talking about who is "deserving" but your reasoning is "just cause", not facts or the real world situation each are in.
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So what reason beyond you like one over the other are they different?
Money
This post was edited on 1/4/24 at 3:29 pm
Posted by QJenk
Atl, Ga
Member since Jan 2013
15463 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 3:26 pm to
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Why? Please explain in detail with credible source citation why you believe someone who can play a child’s game is more deserving than a liberal arts major. Your feelings of “but I like muh football and I think libral arts is dumb” are irrelevant. Neither are likely to advance society to a new horizon. So what reason beyond you like one over the other are they different?


On Saturdays, 100,000 people fill up a stadium to watch Caleb Williams play football. Millions more watch on tv.

Nobody is filling up a stadium to watch Jimmy write his English paper. Nobody is filling up a stadium to watch Sarah get a B on her Chemistry final.
Posted by edukated_fan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2014
137 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 3:32 pm to
Look at the degrees the guys who graduated in December received. They are things like poli-sci, marketing, MBA, MS in HR and Leadership Development. While they're not going into petroleum engineering, those are legitimate degrees that hundreds of regular students also graduate with each year. Sure, there are plenty of football players who don't do jack in the classroom. There are plenty of normal undergrads who don't too.

I entered LSU with a scholarship, phucked around, made awful grades, lost the scholarship, still managed to graduate from LSU's easy arse business school, worked, went to law school, and consider myself a pretty decent functioning member of society. I have dozens of friends who took the exact same or eerily similar routes.

My point is that LSU isn't Harvard. There are some fantastic programs, and some fantastic students, but all in all, plenty of undergrads who show up are just doing it to check a box and party. No different from the football players, except the football players have to work a hell of a lot harder even when they're just phucking around.
Posted by LouisianimaI
Member since Dec 2023
576 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 3:41 pm to
Football players have tutors galore and every kind of help imaginable including professors who will pass them. The student who gets into LSU can’t have low qualifications like athletes. You mean working hard at their craft to have a shot at their dream job in NFL? Who knew.
Posted by edukated_fan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2014
137 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 3:43 pm to
I have family in higher ed who teach in majors that are often taken by student-athletes. They fail them if they don't do the work, just like they would anyone else. If they didn't, guys like John Emery wouldn't have any issues staying eligible.

Also, there is free tutoring available to all students. You're talking out of your arse.
This post was edited on 1/4/24 at 3:46 pm
Posted by LouisianimaI
Member since Dec 2023
576 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 4:15 pm to
Sure. You know everything. The academic center with 17 tutors assigned to a player is not what average student gets. Nice try though.
Posted by edukated_fan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2014
137 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 4:54 pm to
Your obvious hyperbole really undercuts your point and shows how little you actually know about any of this.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
35727 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 5:33 pm to
Dude needs an interior decorator. That's some sad shite out of "Boiler Room" where millionaires have an empty house and just a couch and a big screen.
This post was edited on 1/4/24 at 5:34 pm
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48344 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 6:55 pm to
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Please explain in detail with credible source citation why you believe someone who can play a child’s game is more deserving than a liberal arts major.


Because the one playing the child’s game is driving billions upon billions of dollars in revenue, creating tens of thousands of auxiliary jobs in the process, and motivating massive donations for the benefit of the liberal arts scholars.

Source: College football revenue
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48344 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 6:58 pm to
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Sure. You know everything. The academic center with 17 tutors assigned to a player is not what average student gets. Nice try though.


But players aren’t average students; they are way more valuable.
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48344 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 7:02 pm to
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Now the big schools are a football team with a college, not the other way around.


Yeah, Michigan is a shite University



Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
35727 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 7:15 pm to
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Yeah, Michigan is a shite University


Michigan and USC are outliers these days being US News ranked in the Top 25 annually.

Alabama being ranked #151 or #181 is more the trend.

Worse reputation of a school, better the football team.
This post was edited on 1/4/24 at 7:15 pm
Posted by Dirk Dawgler
Where I Am
Member since Nov 2011
2542 posts
Posted on 1/5/24 at 7:41 am to
Are you 1st generation Asian-American? The way that you write suggests that you are. If so, that’s cool and welcome to America!
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48344 posts
Posted on 1/5/24 at 5:52 pm to
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Michigan and USC are outliers these days being US News ranked in the Top 25 annually.


Notre Dame
Texas
Florida
Wisconsin
Ohio State
Washington

All in the top 50.

So 75% of the CFP this year are in the upper echelon of universities according to US News.

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