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Kurt Warner is very critical of QB coaching at the college level
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:10 am
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:10 am
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Kurt Warner
I know many of you LOVE college football, but as I start to dive into these college QBs, it’s hard for me to even watch: very few play on schedule, the pass concepts are a mess most of the time, they run the same play over & over, a million bubble screens, can’t find many concepts that translate to next level… and then ppl are asked to figure out how good they will be at next level!? (Nearly impossible in my mind)
For me CJ Stroud is a great example - obviously really good in college & OSU runs more pro-style concepts than most but they didn’t ask him to process & get ball out as quickly as he did last year in HOU - so I had no idea he would be so good at processing so fast! He’s better in NFL than what we got to see in college, but many times you just don’t know until you know!
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@daverichard
It’s an issue I’m having with Jayden Daniels watching his film now. Great arm, great legs, good vision when running but so far I can’t tell if he can make full-field reads.
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Kurt Warner
That’s who I’m watching now also… and Williams, so talented, concepts get no one open, OL bad so running for his life, then when things are open he plays too fast or doesn’t see things, so how do you evaluate? Do you just say “gifted thrower” & hope it all translates when things are good around him?
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Kurt Warner
QBs are always hard no doubt… but I think even harder now bc the game is built so differently and less QBs are taught the things they need in NFL (or even if taught, don’t use the skills they need at next level nearly enough for ppl to know)!
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Kurt Warner
I’ll be the first to admit I am NOT a college football expert, I really only watch intently when preparing for combine & draft… but trying to do a piece on relatable throws top guys made that they will be asked to make at “combine”, after 6 games of 2 of top guys - I saw slants, outs & 2 IN routes (I’m sure more are there, just hard to believe it’s taking me so much time to find them)… that’s where my perspective is coming from this am!
Someone replied that it's not a coaches job to prepare them for the pros
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Agreed, but also feel a coaches responsibility is to prepare the guys that have the chance to go to next level!!
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Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:12 am to RLDSC FAN
“Agreed” and then completely contradicts the agreement
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:12 am to RLDSC FAN
Nothing I live for more than Kurt Warner takes
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:13 am to RLDSC FAN
College coaches get paid millions by the university, their job is to have them produce in college. The QBs he is talking about did that
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 9:14 am
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:14 am to RLDSC FAN
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so far I can’t tell if he can make full-field reads
If you turn on Daniels tape this year, the first thing you notice is his eyes moving across the field
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:15 am to RLDSC FAN
Offensive line play in college football is awful.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:17 am to RLDSC FAN
I get what he's saying but the unfortunate truth is that the college coaches job is to win games, not do scouting for the nfl. I know they want their guys in the pros doing well but if theyre winning games and getting paid thats all that matters
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:18 am to RLDSC FAN
Warner has a point, but he and many other people who criticize college and high school coaching all miss one very important detail: coaches are not being paid to prep guys for the next level. They are paid to coach and win at their level. So if they're winning and their players have good fundamentals, who cares if they aren't learning what next level coaches are requiring. That's why you have coaches there...to teach what the guys that make it don't know. The other 99% are moving on with their lives after football.
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 10:02 am
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:21 am to RLDSC FAN
If they’re a great qb coach then you’ll likely find yourself in the NFL in short order.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:41 am to RLDSC FAN
Essentially he is complaining that College Football isn’t as complex as the NFL? Isn’t that obvious?
I guess his point is don’t get too caught up in evaluating college QBs for the NFL. People can act like Williams is the best, but Nix could end up being better than him. You don’t really know until you see them get coached up in the NFL.
Fitting that it’s coming from an undrafted HOF/Super Bowl winning qb who started 1 year at UNI.
I guess his point is don’t get too caught up in evaluating college QBs for the NFL. People can act like Williams is the best, but Nix could end up being better than him. You don’t really know until you see them get coached up in the NFL.
Fitting that it’s coming from an undrafted HOF/Super Bowl winning qb who started 1 year at UNI.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:44 am to RLDSC FAN
Every college player who wants to be a pro should have external coaches outside of the college. My son sure AF will…but i guess that goes without saying for kickers. My son was traveling to see a professional coach in 8th grade…sure as hell won’t stop just because he’ll play in the SEC.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:50 am to RLDSC FAN
There are 134 FBS schools and Warner is disappointed in the QB play?
There are not even enough good QBs for each NFL team to have one and he things there should be dozens of them in college?
Because they aren't good. The run the same play over and over, because many of them can't read a defense or remember plays. They run a million bubble screens because they have weak arms.
None of this is news. How many NFL starting QBs come out of the draft each year? 3 or 4, maybe?
There are not even enough good QBs for each NFL team to have one and he things there should be dozens of them in college?
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these college QBs, it’s hard for me to even watch: very few play on schedule, the pass concepts are a mess most of the time, they run the same play over & over, a million bubble screens, can’t find many concepts that translate to next level…
Because they aren't good. The run the same play over and over, because many of them can't read a defense or remember plays. They run a million bubble screens because they have weak arms.
None of this is news. How many NFL starting QBs come out of the draft each year? 3 or 4, maybe?
Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:06 am to RLDSC FAN
Warner is spot on. This is also the problem with as much player movement in learning schemes. Most college offenses run about 10-15 plays over and over out of different formations and sprinkle in a few different ones. Obviously a few outliers are out there, but in general it’s not a lot of different concepts. Just Y Stick, Mesh, Screens, and stuff
Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:08 am to RLDSC FAN
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It’s an issue I’m having with Jayden Daniels watching his film now. Great arm, great legs, good vision when running but so far I can’t tell if he can make full-field reads.
quote:Jayden Daniels went from a middle round dude(if that?) to a top 3 pick, WTF more does Warner want?
Agreed, but also feel a coaches responsibility is to prepare the guys that have the chance to go to next level!!
Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:24 am to RLDSC FAN
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For me CJ Stroud is a great example - obviously really good in college & OSU runs more pro-style concepts than most but they didn’t ask him to process & get ball out as quickly as he did last year in HOU - so I had no idea he would be so good at processing so fast! He’s better in NFL than what we got to see in college, but many times you just don’t know until you know!
It was easy to know Stroud would be good in the NFL. Just because all these scouts and wanna be scouts missed it doesn't mean the tape didn't show it. They create bias like everyone else and they see what they want to see
He was one of the best QBs in CFB for two years, so he was obviously really good there too.
Maybe they can tell us what they saw in Young and all the other busts that told them they would be great
Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:30 am to RLDSC FAN
The question comes up about Brock Purdy-the last draft pick in 2022.
Was he coached so poorly at Iowa State that no team in the NFL drafted him until #262?
Or was he coached so well that he translated into an NFL starting QB at the end of his first year?
Or were NFL scouts so inept they didn't see the potential in him?
Kurt should answer those questions too.
Was he coached so poorly at Iowa State that no team in the NFL drafted him until #262?
Or was he coached so well that he translated into an NFL starting QB at the end of his first year?
Or were NFL scouts so inept they didn't see the potential in him?
Kurt should answer those questions too.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:39 am to RLDSC FAN
This has never been the case. Pro offenses have been more sophisticated than college offenses for decades. Wtf is he bitching about?
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 10:41 am
Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:42 am to RLDSC FAN
I understand the point Warner is trying to make, but using Daniels as your example is pretty lazy and wrong. There are tons of examples of Daniels going through his progressions and hitting a 3rd or 4th option. Of course, he had a really good OL that gave him time to do that. Nix would be a better example of what he's talking about.
This notion that Daniels was just throwing it up to wide open receivers is really stupid as well.
This notion that Daniels was just throwing it up to wide open receivers is really stupid as well.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:51 am to RLDSC FAN
the NCAA limiting practice time and face time for players with coaches changed a lot of CFB
it is smart to put a great athlete at QB in CFB and let him cook in a simple offense instead of a savvy guy that can get under center
the other factor for warner was playing in the arena league dramatically refned his reading and recognition skills.
it is smart to put a great athlete at QB in CFB and let him cook in a simple offense instead of a savvy guy that can get under center
the other factor for warner was playing in the arena league dramatically refned his reading and recognition skills.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:54 am to RLDSC FAN
College football coaches number one job is to win at the college level.
Now, there is some indirect relationship with also preparing players for the next level because proving that is often how you will get the best players to come play for you, but first and foremost is winning at the college level.
Now, there is some indirect relationship with also preparing players for the next level because proving that is often how you will get the best players to come play for you, but first and foremost is winning at the college level.
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