re: Can anyone with any baseball knowledge at all, tell us

I dont love white leading off, or larson hitting 5th, but i dont think it changes much for lineup run production. Ive seen studies in the past about lineup construction variations studied over a large sample, like mlb seasons and adjusting the lineup to maximize runs, and there isnt a huge difference from one variation to the other, other than making sure your best hitters are near the top of the lineup

It's called,
B A S E B A L L
Good grief..

If I said that, I would agree with you....but I didn't.
I asked...

"in what universe does a coach have Milam and Larson hitting in front of Kling and Milazzo, and not in front of White/Bear?"

What is your problem? If you disagree with me, tell me why, don't just attack another person. Do you have any other thoughts on the matter or do you just take pot shots?

I didn't insinuate that you said anything. My comment was a general comment relating to the thread - which is why I replied to Cannon and not you. But, my comment does kind of answer your question of why I think Milam AND Larson shouldn't hit in front of White and Jones. It would mean that Jones is hitting in the 4-hole and therefore isn't guaranteed an AB in the first inning - which, at this time, I would rather see Jones in the first inning than Milam. One of my earlier comments halfway agrees with you where I said that I would like to see Larson in leadoff followed by White and Jones.

If I would have asked that question, I would agree with you.
However, I didn't.

I asked...."in what universe does a coach have Milam and Larson hitting in front of Kling and Milazzo, and not in front of White/Bear?

I agree that our worst hitters should be batting last to keep them from at bats as much as possible. The question is why don't we have betters hitters batting in front of What/Bear so they have someone to drive in. So yes, you are right, why is White batting first behind our two worst hitters. The likelihood of him coming to bat with no body on base is very high. That is what should be avoided, I think.

I have no problem with that. I just want someone on base for our top RBI guys to drive in...noithing more. White/Bear come up to bat with no on far too much for my liking, and it is self imposed, especially with them hitting behind our worst hitters as the game goes on.

It’s certainly not a traditional line up but this team lacks guys who can consistently get on in front of Tommy and Bear

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If you disagree with me, tell me why

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I did. Along with several others. Sorry I didn't write a thesis out for you. Not my fault you don't seem to understand basic baseball strategy.

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Do you have any other thoughts on the matter

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Sure. Its baseball. It can be analyzed to death. I gave you the simplest form of the answer just like the others did. Jay wants to ensure that Tommy and Bear get as many as bats as possible which is somehow hard for you to understand. That means they go at the top of the lineup where you cant put anyone in front of them. Sure, you could move Milam and Larson down to be in front of them when the lineup turns over but then you are cutting down on their at bats. Kling's and Milazzo's OBP are .415 and .380 respectively. Those are really good numbers. Its not like he has Hal Hughes down there. I would be ok with Larson at the top followed by White and Jones but you cant take ABs away from your 2 best hitters, which is what you are advocating for.

You're acting like this is some off-the-wall never before seen stuff having your best hitters leading off

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I agree that our worst hitters should be batting last to keep them from at bats as much as possible..

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So by stating that, one would assume that you agree that the inverse is true. That your best hitters(Tommy/ Bear) should be batting first to get the most at bats.

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The question is why don't we have betters hitters batting in front of What/Bear so they have someone to drive in.

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Because you have to start somewhere.... Knowing what you literally JUST said, I dont see how this is an actual question

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So yes, you are right, why is White batting first behind our two worst hitters.

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You cant be "first behind". He's batting first to ensure more at bats...

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The likelihood of him coming to bat with no body on base is very high. That is what should be avoided, I think.

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Not as high as missing out completely on at bats

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I don't comprehend this strategy of putting your two best power hitters 1/2 and having your worst hitters batting in front of them. How can that be the best run producing formula?

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Beyond the first inning you really can’t control very much about the situation when batters comes to the plate. Even in the first inning about all you can control is guaranteeing who will get an opportunity to bat, which is the first 3 spots in the order. If you put your two best hitters in 3 and 4 slot, you are only guaranteed that one will bat. Putting your best batter in the 3 hole as was done traditionally leaves you with a 35-40% or greater chance he comes to the plate with 2 outs and the bases empty. That’s not an ideal scenario to maximize the value of that batter. You may reduce the RBI of your power hitters by batting them 1 or 2, but if they are also good at getting on base, then you are maximizing their run scoring potential. The way to optimize your lineup is to order batters based on OPS (on base plus slugging) unless you have a player who contributes a lot on the base paths to put near the top (provided his OPS is still good).