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re: What is the Israel vs Hamas feud about
Posted on 5/13/24 at 7:40 am to shoelessjoe
Posted on 5/13/24 at 7:40 am to shoelessjoe
It began here
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As he had done in Egypt many years earlier, Abraham again concealed the fact that Sarah was his wife, fearing that the Philistines might want to slay him. Believing that Sarah was Abraham’s sister, King Abimelech of the Philistines had her brought to the palace. But G-d smote the king and his servants with plagues, so that they would not touch her. As soon as the king found out the cause of his punishment he called Abraham and begged his forgiveness. To make up for his wrong, he gave Abraham and Sarah many gifts. Abraham prayed to G-d to cure Abimelech and his royal household, and the prayers were answered. Abimelech and his people knew that Abraham was a saintly man, and they begged him to stay in their land. Abraham, agreed, and resided in Gerar for twenty-six years.
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G-d’s promise was fulfilled. When Abraham was one hundred years old and his wife ninety,: Sarah gave birth to a son. Abraham called him Isaac and circumcised him on the eighth day, making him a party to the holy covenant G-d had established with Abraham.
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As we know, Isaac was not Abraham’s first born, for Hagar had borne him Ishmael 14 years earlier. But Ishmael had not grown up as his father had hoped. He was inclined towards many things Abraham considered wicked. Ishmael even prayed to idols when he believed himself unobserved. Sarah observed him and realized that he would have a bad influence upon the young Isaac. She therefore implored Abraham to send Ishmael away. Abraham understood the motive of his wife’s request, but he feared to send his son away to a place where he might become even worse. However, G-d told Abraham to do as Sarah had requested, and Abraham then sent Hagar and Ishmael away, providing them with water and food for the journey.
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Hagar and Ishmael lost their way in the wilderness of Beer Sheba and soon ran out of water. Hagar could not watch the boy’s suffering and put him in the shade of a bush, while she sat some distance away and cried. An angel then called to Hagar and assured her that G-d had seen the suffering of her boy. He would live and become the father of a mighty nation. And suddenly, Hagar saw a spring nearby. Hagar and Ishmael were saved from death and continued their journey. G-d blessed the boy, for he was Abraham’s son. Ishmael grew up into a strong man. He lived on the outskirts of the desert and became a great archer. Ishmael lived his life in his own way. He married and had many children. His children multiplied and became known under the name of Ishmaelites, or Arabs, the people of the desert.
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Posted on 5/13/24 at 7:43 am to 4x4tiger
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It began here
No it didn’t.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 7:50 am to Tridentds
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Nothing new really. People been killing each other over religion for thousands of year. Christians seems to start it.... radical muslims seem intent of finishing it.
What you don’t know about the history behind all of this could fill the Grand Canyon.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 8:09 am to BuckyCheese
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Their god is better than the other guy's god.
Yep. Muslims took Jerusalem and built their Mosque on top of the Jewish Temple and the birthplace of Christianity. That was a definitive statement.
Until Islam realizes the horrific consequences of their Biblically heretical and mandated hegemonic 'by the sword' Faith, they will not abandon it because of Ego. When the inevitable push comes to shove, the Jews are going to light them up, imo..."blood up unto the bridle of a horse". Of course, Islamic 'martyrdom' negates any negative consequential scenarios therein, and Muslims will consider death a win. "Americans love life, we love death" is not just whistling Dixie.
Sidenote: Does Israel have nuclear armed submarines? How many and what are the known logistical estimates? They are very smart, so I'm sure they have all the bases covered.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 9:35 am to TNTigerman
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Satan hates the Jewish people because they’re God’s chosen people.
Christians are God's chosen people. Not the Jews. Otherwise why would Chirst have even been needed.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 9:40 am to shoelessjoe
They were left out of the will!
Posted on 5/13/24 at 9:41 am to 2geaux
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They were left out of the will!
Who was? What will?
Posted on 5/13/24 at 9:44 am to shoelessjoe
Magic Dirt.
The rules are you have to pick one team or the other. If you don’t pick a team in the Magic Dirt Wars, you hate puppies.
Pretty cool huh?
The rules are you have to pick one team or the other. If you don’t pick a team in the Magic Dirt Wars, you hate puppies.
Pretty cool huh?
Posted on 5/13/24 at 10:30 am to shoelessjoe
Posted on 5/13/24 at 11:04 am to shoelessjoe
The conflict there has been going on for literally thousands of years as the various Semitic, Arab, Greek, and Phoenician kingdoms jockied for control over the fertile agricultural lands in the Jezreal Valley and the overland trade routes connecting Mesopotamia with Egypt and the Hellenistic world.
With that said, the origins of the modern conflict date back to the second half of the 19th century when the Levant was ruled by the Ottoman Empire. At the time, modern Israel/Palestine was a sparsely populated impoverished backwater after centuries of devastating wars and mismanagement.
To encourage development, the Ottomans invited Jews fleeing persecution in Europe to settle in Palestine on land that was largely thought to be unsuitable for agriculture. This led to the promotion of Zionism in Europe as Jews began to envision repopulating the holy land to create a homeland for themselves. Over the next few decades, thousands of Jews immigrated to Ottoman Palestine becoming a sizable minority within the province. Their skills at modern farming caused the deserts to bloom, creating valuable land where there was once abandoned desert.
During WW1, the British encouraged the Arabs to revolt against the Ottoman Empire in the hopes that it would force them to divert troops away from the Balkans and the Gallipoli campaign. They really had little faith that such a revolution could be successful, but Lawrence managed to rally the Arabs to victories on such a scale that the entire Ottoman Empire collapsed. To govern the chaos, Great Britain governed Ottoman Palestine as a Mandate while France governed Lebanon and Syria. The house of Saud was allowed to ascend to the throne of the newly independent Kingdom of Arabia.
Under English governance, Jewish immigration increased, leading to increased tensions with the ethnic Arabs and other Muslims who were living there, but the British kept the peace. During and after WWII, the Jewish diaspora from Europe exploded, causing Jews to become a majority in many parts of Palestine.
Following the war, the English saw fit to give up their mandate and return the area to self-rule. They initially came up with a two-state solution of Israel and Trans-Jordan. As soon as the British left, however, a civil war erupted. Arabs immediately began massacring Jews wherever they could find them and Jews returned the violence in kind. This triggered multiple wars as the various Arab nations of the Middle East repeatedly attacked Israel and were defeated. The Jews declared the independence of Israel and deported a significant percentage of the surviving Arabs within the regions they controlled. A significant number of them fled to the Egyptian province of Gaza. Most every place where Palestinians fled to, they destabilized the governments of those nations. Palestinians nearly overthrew governments in Egypt and Jordan and succeeded in Lebanon, which has never truly recovered or seen stability since.
Control over the Sinai peninsula, Gaza, and the Suez Canal changed hands several times during the second half of the 20th century before the current situation resulted with Egypt controlling the Suez and Sinai, but Israel controlling Gaza after Egypt refused to allow any more Gazans to immigrate to Egypt proper. In the 90’s, some limited peace was achieved between Israel, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Jordan. However, Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon remained staunch opponents. These forces continue to supply Palestinian rebels in Gaza and the West Bank under the guise of humanitarian aid. These forces essentially wage a non-stop cold war of attrition and PR with Israel which occasionally gets hot.
The cold war exploded in October as Gazans conducted large scale raids on Israeli settlements, massacring thousands of civilians and taking hundreds of hostages. This triggered Israel to essentially declare total war and begin systematically destroying Gaza block by block. As neither Israel not Egypt will permit Gazans to leave Gaza to flee the war, and this bombing and demolition has destroyed hundreds of thousands of homes and killed thousands of Hamas fighters and civilians, it is being decried as a genocide.
The sad reality of this conflict is that it has proven to Israelis that they can no longer coexist with Gaza, and that genocide or ethnic cleansing is the only solution. The Palestinian have never believed Israel had any right to exist, and continue to attempt to genocide and/or ethnically cleanse Israel, albeit, thus far unsuccessfully.
Both sides are now intent upon completely massacring the other, and the international community seems too paralyzed by partisan loyalties to come up with any workable solutions that don’t involve one side massacring or ethnically cleansing the other. To be honest, I am not sure there is a solution.
With that said, the origins of the modern conflict date back to the second half of the 19th century when the Levant was ruled by the Ottoman Empire. At the time, modern Israel/Palestine was a sparsely populated impoverished backwater after centuries of devastating wars and mismanagement.
To encourage development, the Ottomans invited Jews fleeing persecution in Europe to settle in Palestine on land that was largely thought to be unsuitable for agriculture. This led to the promotion of Zionism in Europe as Jews began to envision repopulating the holy land to create a homeland for themselves. Over the next few decades, thousands of Jews immigrated to Ottoman Palestine becoming a sizable minority within the province. Their skills at modern farming caused the deserts to bloom, creating valuable land where there was once abandoned desert.
During WW1, the British encouraged the Arabs to revolt against the Ottoman Empire in the hopes that it would force them to divert troops away from the Balkans and the Gallipoli campaign. They really had little faith that such a revolution could be successful, but Lawrence managed to rally the Arabs to victories on such a scale that the entire Ottoman Empire collapsed. To govern the chaos, Great Britain governed Ottoman Palestine as a Mandate while France governed Lebanon and Syria. The house of Saud was allowed to ascend to the throne of the newly independent Kingdom of Arabia.
Under English governance, Jewish immigration increased, leading to increased tensions with the ethnic Arabs and other Muslims who were living there, but the British kept the peace. During and after WWII, the Jewish diaspora from Europe exploded, causing Jews to become a majority in many parts of Palestine.
Following the war, the English saw fit to give up their mandate and return the area to self-rule. They initially came up with a two-state solution of Israel and Trans-Jordan. As soon as the British left, however, a civil war erupted. Arabs immediately began massacring Jews wherever they could find them and Jews returned the violence in kind. This triggered multiple wars as the various Arab nations of the Middle East repeatedly attacked Israel and were defeated. The Jews declared the independence of Israel and deported a significant percentage of the surviving Arabs within the regions they controlled. A significant number of them fled to the Egyptian province of Gaza. Most every place where Palestinians fled to, they destabilized the governments of those nations. Palestinians nearly overthrew governments in Egypt and Jordan and succeeded in Lebanon, which has never truly recovered or seen stability since.
Control over the Sinai peninsula, Gaza, and the Suez Canal changed hands several times during the second half of the 20th century before the current situation resulted with Egypt controlling the Suez and Sinai, but Israel controlling Gaza after Egypt refused to allow any more Gazans to immigrate to Egypt proper. In the 90’s, some limited peace was achieved between Israel, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Jordan. However, Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon remained staunch opponents. These forces continue to supply Palestinian rebels in Gaza and the West Bank under the guise of humanitarian aid. These forces essentially wage a non-stop cold war of attrition and PR with Israel which occasionally gets hot.
The cold war exploded in October as Gazans conducted large scale raids on Israeli settlements, massacring thousands of civilians and taking hundreds of hostages. This triggered Israel to essentially declare total war and begin systematically destroying Gaza block by block. As neither Israel not Egypt will permit Gazans to leave Gaza to flee the war, and this bombing and demolition has destroyed hundreds of thousands of homes and killed thousands of Hamas fighters and civilians, it is being decried as a genocide.
The sad reality of this conflict is that it has proven to Israelis that they can no longer coexist with Gaza, and that genocide or ethnic cleansing is the only solution. The Palestinian have never believed Israel had any right to exist, and continue to attempt to genocide and/or ethnically cleanse Israel, albeit, thus far unsuccessfully.
Both sides are now intent upon completely massacring the other, and the international community seems too paralyzed by partisan loyalties to come up with any workable solutions that don’t involve one side massacring or ethnically cleansing the other. To be honest, I am not sure there is a solution.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 11:40 am to BuckyCheese
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Their god is better than the other guy's god.
Well one side worships a pedophile and the other cant eat delicious pulled pork.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 8:43 pm to Deplorableinohio
Wow. A downvote. You’ve got to be kidding me.
I wish they would show all the footage from October 7,2023 so everyone could see the evil of Muslim Gazan Arabs. They are all evil.
And you downvote. Explain yourself.
I wish they would show all the footage from October 7,2023 so everyone could see the evil of Muslim Gazan Arabs. They are all evil.
And you downvote. Explain yourself.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 8:45 pm to alphaandomega
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Well one side worships a pedophile
No they don’t.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 9:17 pm to Mo Jeaux
Uhhh... yeah. They do.
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