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re: Why didn't we use the South Korean approach?
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:02 am to NC_Tigah
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:02 am to NC_Tigah
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The CDC screwed us is why.
The CDC massively overpromised and massively underdelivered.
In Jan & Feb the CDC said they had tests completely in hand.
The CDC said it would produce the most and the best tests in the world.
Fauci, the NIH, Johns Hopkins, and every US pandemic "expert" told Trump the CDC was the world's premier agent in dealing with a pandemic. They told him to trust the CDC.
Are you intimating Trump should have ignored every US pandemic "expert", shut out the CDC, shut out US labs the CDC (inappropriately) called to question, and instead relied on internationally manufactured CV19 tests?
Pretty convenient revision of U.S. Government. The CDC is a sub-division of the Health & Human Services (HHS), a cabinet-level department of the current Presidential Administration.
Trump, the moron taking up air in the Oval Office as the current elected U.S. President, oversees and names the director of the HHS. A previous office for infectious diseases and bioterrorism under Obama was dismantled by former Trump Chief of Staff John Kelly under orders from Trump. The responsibilities of that office - formerly under the National Security Council - was moved to the HHS' authorities.
Trump worked since day one as President to cut funding and staffing of the CDC. His Administration oversaw:
The reduction from 47 to 14 American CDC staff at the Beijing CDC Office over the last 2 years, including a major medical epidemiologist expert who was a trainer of Chinese field epidemiologists who were deployed to the epicenter of outbreaks to help track, investigate and contain diseases. This CDC expert, Dr. Linda Quick, left her post in July 1999.
Separately, the National Science Foundation (NSF) and the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), the global relief program which had a role in helping China monitor and respond to outbreaks, also shut their Beijing offices on Trump’s watch. Before the closures, each office was staffed by a U.S. official.
In addition, the U.S. Department of Agriculture(USDA) transferred out of China in 2018 the manager of an animal disease monitoring program.
The CDC's handling of the development of the contaminated initial COVID-19 tests have been investigated by the FDA, and they found the supervision and leadership of the flawed manufacturing processes that violated the CDC's own standards, was non-existent.
All of this were the major building blocks for the foundation of the United States' slow and studdering response and preparation for the COVID-19 spread throughout the nation. The Captain of that ship was always Donald Trump.
And even today, late in this pandemic, Trump is still out there stumbling about. Still out there with little to no effective plan in regards to dealing with COVID-19, and getting the nation back on it's feet. The most effective plans have come from state leadership. Trump has been left to being effectively some idiot on the sidelines eating popcorn and cheering on the game. We have an armchair QB for our U.S. President. There will be a reckoning....
This post was edited on 4/25/20 at 6:05 am
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Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:11 am to ConwayGamecock
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The most effective plans have come from state leadership.
By design.
Officially, it is called These United States
Fedgov was never intended to be a central ruler.
The premise that Washington DC has the Constitutional authority to micro manage this is false.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:12 am to ConwayGamecock
A more serious answer- SK and Singapore and a few other places relied way heavily on the surveillance state. Phone alerts and location reporting and extremely intrusive government intervention to identify and use technology.to isolate the infected, paired with a cultural obedience to central directives. They experienced SARS and other infectious diseases to build a model of intervention that ignored privacy, to the benefit of public health.
This post was edited on 4/25/20 at 6:13 am
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:16 am to ConwayGamecock
quote:So again, for the slow learners, Fauci, Johns Hopkins, Scott Gottlieb, every pandemic "expert" in the country told Trump the CDC was the world's most capable organization in addressing an epidemic. The CDC said the quality of tests was critical, and the CDC needed oversight of uniform quality. What would you have had Trump do? Say "screw you guys, I don't trust the CDC. I'm gonna do my own thing" ?
Pretty convenient revision of U.S. Government. The CDC is a sub-division of the Health & Human Services (HHS), a cabinet-level department of the current Presidential Administration.
Trump, the moron taking up air in the Oval Office
Of course not!
Had he done that you be pitching conniption fits about it.
Meanwhile Congress was doing what?
Perhaps you've forgotten?
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:17 am to ConwayGamecock
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The most effective plans have come from state leadership.
Yeah. Cuomo did awesome.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:19 am to ConwayGamecock
quote:WTF does that matter? Please dear God don't tell me you are even hinting that US employees in Beijing could somehow have sorted out the CV19 outbreak any sooner than we could without them.
Separately, the National Science Foundation (NSF) and the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), the global relief program which had a role in helping China monitor and respond to outbreaks, also shut their Beijing offices on Trump’s watch. Before the closures, each office was staffed by a U.S. official.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:28 am to ConwayGamecock
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Pretty convenient revision of U.S. Government.
It’s not a revision. You can say whatever you want. The CDC screwed the pooch on this testing debacle. Not Trump. Not Pence.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 7:30 am to ConwayGamecock
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Pretty convenient revision of U.S. Government
LMAO! Don't know if you're willfully ignorant or just regurgitating CNN talking points.
quote:So is the NIH. Their entire mission statement is to identify,mitigate and protect the US from infections diseases and Fauci has been the head of NIH for almost 40 years.He is the #1 epidemiologist in the US govt.
The CDC is a sub-division of the Health & Human Services (HHS), a cabinet-level department of the current Presidential Administration.
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Trump worked since day one as President to cut funding and staffing of the CDC. His Administration oversaw:
He didn't cut anything from the CDC and the global pandemic task force was increased along with their budget under Trump. LINK
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The responsibilities of that office - formerly under the National Security Council - was moved to the HHS' authorities.
As it should have been in the 1st place and none of those biological experts were let go.
quote:And this wasn't "bio terrorism"
It's impossible to assess the impact of the 2018 decision to disband the unit, she said. Cameron noted that biological experts remain at the White House
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The reduction from 47 to 14 American CDC staff at the Beijing CDC Office over the last 2 years, including a major medical epidemiologist expert who was a trainer of Chinese field epidemiologists who were deployed to the epicenter of outbreaks to help track
And they would've done what exactly? China was continually lying about the outbreak and their own scientist who criticized their response "disappeared" And they still won't let us near Wuhan to investigate We coulda had 100 scientist there and would've done nothing to seem the pandemic.China knowingly allowing international flights out of Wuhan after the pandemic started there.
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“The problem was China, not that we didn’t have CDC people in China,” said Scott McNabb, a former CDC epidemiologist who is now a research professor with Emory University. He pointed to China’s censorship as the main culprit in the spread of the pandemic, which has infected at least 435,470 people worldwide, killed 19,598 and upended the global economy.
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(USAID), the global relief program which had a role in helping China monitor and respond to outbreaks, also shut their Beijing offices on Trump’s watch. Before the closures, each office was staffed by a U.S. official.
Do you freakin think it would have done anything to help mitigate this Wuhan? China wasn't gonna admit culpability under any circumstances and certainly weren't gonna let us near their irresponsible and wreckless Coronavirus research.
We stopped our own Coronavirus research research under Obama for that very reason. LINK
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If this virus mutates so that it spreads easily through the air, millions could die. "It would go around the globe quickly, and this would result in high morbidity and mortality, disruption of the economy, and, in some cases, the collapse of governments," says Baric.
That's why researchers want to learn as much as they can about MERS. It's a type of virus called a coronavirus, which is the special focus of Baric's lab.
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The Obama administration was concerned about any research that could make the viruses more dangerous, so they wanted to stop and review studies to see if they could make these germs capable of causing more disease or spreading easily through the air.
Officials with the National Institutes of Health say that about 18 grants, contracts and planned research projects fall under the new ban. They say waivers can be obtained for research that's critical for public health, though it's not clear exactly how long that will take.
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The most effective plans have come from state leadership.
From who? Cuomo? Are you freakin kidding me? NYC is an unmittigated disaster and woulda been far worse had the feds not got involved.
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Trump has been left to being effectively some idiot on the sidelines eating popcorn and cheering
So why were Newsome and Cuomo praising his response team and his efforts?
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