re: Jimbo is the crazy crossroads of completely settling while paying the highest salary

If we do a mega deal Riley is the best one.

If we can’t get Riley, I like the high ceiling up and comers better than a jimbo on the surface

IMO. Riley has not done any better than Jimbo when looking at comparable conferences (Big 12 and ACC). Not the mention the Big 12 doesn't have an opposing school comparable to Clemson under Dabo to compete against.

First 4 years at OU and FSU respectively.

Jimbo 45-10 National Title
Lincoln 45-8

If you think Riley would go 11-1 or even 10-2 every year in the SEC I think you are mistaken. Riley has yet to do better than a 2 loss season. No undefeated and no 1 loss seasons in a crappy league,

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when it's objectively truthful

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Its bullshite. You focus in on a single bad year in the guys entire coaching history, and pretend exteral issues like LSU pulling the rug out from under his escape, and embarrassing marital turmoil had no effect on that.

Guys like Sark, Kiffin, Petrino, Freeze all get passes, yet they never seem to get back to the level Jimbo has after his one fricking bad year

Lincoln Riley didnt make the playoffs last year. His worst year. Is that our new expectations for him. Because if so, he should be a hard pass from LSU, right?

Aranda has never been to a bowl. Worst year, right? Hard pass?

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Riley is much more forward thinking though

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Exactly

He's innovative and a big part of new offense across CFB. Intelligent, dynamic, etc. mean more than pure record. It's about the processing not the results. Results come with good process/thinking/intelligence.

Jimbo hasn't been innovative or dynamic in years. He actually projects a Miles-esque stubborn reliance on faith in outdated offense. That with his contract could be a BAD combination.

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But, again, you ignore the main point. They won't cost nearly as much as Jimbo and if they fail we can move on. If Jimbo fails we are stuck with him until like 2029 or 2030 or some insane shite.

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But what if he succeeds?

I just don't subscribe to this idea of hiring the next coach based on the supposition that they're going to flame out. If you assume all of them will flame out then yes it would make sense to hire the cheapest coach.

This isn't a balanced discussion. No matter what Jimbo has done, he cannot compete against the imagination of what fans project guys like Aranda and Napier to be. Since those guys are young, fans still get to imagine that they'll be the next Saban, whereas Jimbo is what he is, he won't be the next Saban, so why would we want him, right? In some fans minds, this is just one big hunt to find the next Saban.

Since projections are imaginary, you get to put whatever you want on guys like Napier and Aranda, and if you project them to win a NC, of course they're going to seem like much better deals. I give more credit to the guy that's actually done it, that's just me, I see others don't really care.

When we compare actual resumes, facts that we know and not projections, it's not really a discussion who is more qualified for the LSU job.

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When we compare actual resumes, facts that we know and not projections, it's not really a discussion who is more qualified for the LSU job.

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At what cost?

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But what if he succeeds?

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Nothing recently suggests he has anymore of a chance than the mid-high tier guys. They've all made the playoffs the same amount post-2014.

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Aranda is on the path to a better year than Jimbo this year and brings a much more modern approach.

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You’re assuming a win over Oklahoma.

And his current OC brings a somewhat more modern approach. What about the guy he hires next, or the one after that?

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But, again, you ignore the main point. They won't cost nearly as much as Jimbo and if they fail we can move on. If Jimbo fails we are stuck with him until like 2029 or 2030 or some insane shite.

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If the 12 million figure is accurate, I assume it will be an 8 year deal max.

He will get four years minimum to make the CFP before he’d be considered a “failure”. That would leave half the deal left. Again, if the money is there to can Ed for almost 20 million two years removed from an NC (I actually didn’t think we would), the program will find a way to move on when the new TV deals are pouring much more money in by then.


And again, you’re missing my main point, that you don’t make the hire assuming the worst happens. That’s really never how hires have been made or will be in the future.


You don’t say we can get a better coach, but if he fails we’ll be stuck with him, so let’s hire a worse coach that we can get rid of easier if he sucks.

Sell that to the fan base. Because honestly that’s the position you’re taking when you strip it down to the basics.

Who is a better coach?


If you think Napier or Tucker or Aranda is “better”, then hire him. If Jimbo is the best, hire him. Otherwise, you’re yearning for the days of Joe Dean.


Personally I think Jimbo is a better and much more proven HC than Napier or Tucker without a second thought.

Aranda is a very good DC that appears to be growing into the HC position well, but given Jimbo’s much longer history of elite level recruiting and his focus on the offensive side of the ball, I take him even though it costs more.

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And again, you’re missing my main point, that you don’t make the hire assuming the worst happens. That’s really never how hires have been made or will be in the future.


You don’t say we can get a better coach, but if he fails we’ll be stuck with him, so let’s hire a worse coach that we can get rid of easier if he sucks.

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Yeah that's his angle. I don't think this idea of penny-pinching is compatible with the type of success we expect at LSU. Success takes some calculated risks, he wants little risk and high reward.

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I don't think this idea of penny-pinching

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Nobody is asking for penny pinching. It's flexibility.

Jimbo is no flexibility for a decade potentially.

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he wants little risk and high reward.

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If we're paying for a team that makes the playoffs every other year (or so), we're taking a high risk with a coach that hasn't made one since 2014, correct? Why do we project Jimbo is going to be anything other than what he has been the past 5 years?

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Terrell Pryor was probably the most “super elite” QB recruit of all time. How did that pay off for OSU?


Winston became a Heisman winner and #1 draft pick due to his work with and under a very good QB developer in Jimbo, and regressed back to the mean at the next level afterwards.

Pretending Jameis could have just strolled onto campus anywhere in the country and did what he did at FSU, apparently dragging Jimbo along in the process, the way Cam Newton did at Auburn just isn’t correct imo.

Winston has proven over and over that he needs exceptional coaching, guidance, and the right system around him to perform at an elite level.

Jimbo gave him all of those things.

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If Jimbo is such a great QB developer, why has he had shite at QB post-Jameis? This is a significant sample size (7 years) to judge his current status.